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Nov 28, 2021
6:58:19pm

Abe Froman Truly Addicted User

His defense is still garbage statistically though.

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Abe Froman

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Tuiaki has been helping us win with a defense put together with duct tape

Big12Yfan

11/28/21 5:10pm

True. Unfortunately fans will fan. People used to complain about Chow's offense.

Benfica1

11/28/21 5:12pm

And called for the ousting of Anae for Doman! CB has a bad record.

NorCal_Coug

11/28/21 5:14pm

False. He has had nfl talent and still had the same issuea. Try again.

CarolinaCoug

11/28/21 5:22pm

Please try again.

LyleLanley

11/28/21 5:29pm

RE: False. He has had nfl yalwnt and srill had 5h3 same issuea. Tey again.

Cougz19

11/28/21 7:59pm

My Urim & Thumim says, False, He had the same problem with NFL talent. Try again

sah22

11/28/21 8:28pm

Chow was like Oregeron. Only good with NFL talent. More talent than coaching.

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/21 5:27pm

He was a good OC at BYU, great at NC St, great a USC...

Benfica1

11/28/21 5:31pm

Bad at Titans, Utah, UCLA, etc. it means it wasn’t good. Couldn’t innovate

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/21 6:59pm

Point was: Chow was good at BYU and for the next 10 years after leaving.

Benfica1

11/28/21 7:34pm

5 yrs. Was he good or was it the talent? How can you say it was him not talent?

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/21 9:55pm

Both. It has always been a combo of both.

Benfica1

11/28/21 10:14pm

If it needs talent then it’s talent. Good coaches can make any team better

Bobmarleyjr

11/29/21 10:51pm

And those coaches you mentioned have had meh to awful years. So.... move on.

Benfica1

11/30/21 7:18am

Chows offenses were good. Not bottom 30-40 in the country

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:31pm

Not without NFL. Even in NFL it wasn’t good or Utah, UCLA, UH, etc.

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/21 6:59pm

His scheme depends a lot on LB'ers. Unfortunately, that position group took a

SUAVO

11/28/21 5:14pm

Isn’t he responsible for developing his own scholarship players?

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:32pm

Didn't say he wasn't, but it shows the drop off in depth when we have to use it

SUAVO

11/28/21 5:36pm

🤮🤮🤮

Kale

11/28/21 5:15pm

Too much Kale?

LyleLanley

11/28/21 5:17pm

(way to much kale)

Benfica1

11/28/21 5:21pm

don't forget the bubble gum. I have to say that I was proud of the defense yesterday. They came up with some hard

ChinaFan

11/28/21 5:17pm

Especially in the 4th. USC had gone 31 plays for 204 yards 17 points before the D forced a 3-&-out.

Spiff

11/28/21 5:20pm

The holding call was huge.

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:45pm

That was the one and only reason our d stopped them on that drive.

No touching

11/28/21 5:47pm

That’s an insult to the players that work their tails off for your entertainment

All-American

11/28/21 7:00pm

It's true, they were able to make the tackles and get a 3rd down stop when USC had to pick up 20 for a first down instea

No touching

11/28/21 7:08pm

Good defensive effort forced the hold.

Spiff

11/28/21 5:49pm

They were giving good defensive effort all game.

No touching

11/28/21 7:09pm

People are nuts for not accepting a bottoms 30-40 defense and wanting change

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:33pm

My guess is that most seasons we only see Baylor one time.

Spiff

11/28/21 6:21pm

I'm not saying I wouldn't like someone else, a real defensive genius, I just don't think you can get one that fits BYU &

ChinaFan

11/28/21 6:22pm

Don’t tell one boomer this

LyleLanley

11/28/21 5:18pm

Ruiaki has out th3 same scheme and bad playcalling on 5he foedl for 6 years

CarolinaCoug

11/28/21 5:22pm

Can't be that bad. BYU has won the Time of Possession battle the last four games.

Spiff

11/28/21 5:23pm

Never change CarolinaUte. Never change.

LyleLanley

11/28/21 5:29pm

Tuiaki’s defense works IF you have NFL talent on D-line and at CB

bruincoug

11/28/21 5:22pm

So he needs to develop the players better

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:34pm

I mostly agree, but I do think he would benefit himself by mixing in a few more edge blitzes early or late in drives to

Trent

11/28/21 5:23pm

His defensive style allows more plays which equals more chances for injuries...

Coug

11/28/21 5:25pm

The defense faced almost exactly the NCAA average plays per game.

Indy Coug

11/28/21 5:28pm

Then Indy comes with data.

Trent

11/28/21 5:29pm

LOL Coug RN

Abe Froman

11/28/21 5:52pm

Plays per game would rank them around 65 in the country.

Coug

11/28/21 5:55pm

Out of 130… so literally exactly in the middle.

k-ace

11/28/21 6:15pm

Raise the banner.

Coug

11/28/21 6:19pm

Your argument was his defense leads to more plays, which leads to more injuries.

k-ace

11/28/21 6:30pm

That's true... I was wrong...

Coug

11/28/21 6:31pm

Surely this time you've got data to back up your claim.

Abe Froman

11/28/21 6:58pm

I guess a slight counter would be that there are only about 65 P5’s. But guessing there are lot’s of G5’s ahead of us.

Trent

11/28/21 6:47pm

Of only those 65 teams...

Coug

11/28/21 6:18pm

Where should a top-15 team rank? Is being avg a drag on the team?

BYU'01

11/28/21 6:57pm

Hadn’t thought of that, but makes sense. Tough to argue more plays equals more chance of an injury.

Trent

11/28/21 5:28pm

Honest questions. The defensive woes cannot be all injury related, right?

Borg

11/28/21 5:29pm

You are remembering, that if you erase covid year, we are playing mostly Sophmores, and a few Juniors, and those guys

ChinaFan

11/28/21 5:34pm

Only at lb. not a ton of defensive injuries elsewhere. Here and there guys miss

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:31pm

Ellis and Ah You were big hits to the secondary. Even when Ah You was available

SUAVO

11/28/21 5:35pm

Ellis hasn’t played all year and there are a lot of capable corners

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:43pm

Was still a big hit to the secondary. Anytime a starter in fall camp goes down

SUAVO

11/28/21 6:10pm

not a poster child for player development? yet with our schedule, and playing all those YOUNG players, he still put

ChinaFan

11/28/21 5:44pm

Or the offense baled them out a lot

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:46pm

yeah, because if team only has offense they can win a football game.. NOT... the D did their job, got the offense the

ChinaFan

11/28/21 5:57pm

His scheme makes it so you don't have to depend on player development to achieve

SUAVO

11/28/21 6:09pm

Defensive line was very beat up as well. Losing Lorenzo Fauteau was a huge loss.

TempeCoug

11/28/21 5:36pm

Zo wasn’t even a full time starter. Who else on the dl?

BYU '80

11/28/21 5:44pm

Do we need to improve talent in the Dline well of course but our hands were

TempeCoug

11/28/21 6:10pm

Thank you for a rational Tuiaki post...

Ursas Puma

11/28/21 6:44pm

This defense gives up 24.25 pts per game. Not stellar. Pretty much average.

Count Cougar

11/28/21 6:52pm

Yet nobody seems to try and hire him away for more money or a HC job. Weird.

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