This smells fishy… BYUs football brand is worse than KU? Nope there is something

Apr 6, 2022
7:18:55pm

Pretorian All-American

Else going on here.

Does brand mean something other than perception of the FB program? If so that would make more sense.

I’d bet anything the author is a Ute or is very anti our church… that isn’t real

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BYU Football branding, what do recruits think of BYU... it's not good

4/6/22 4:34pm

Having coaches stay in touch has nothing to do with being fiscally responsible. Talking to the Gentry family on Andrew'

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:39pm

Unfortunately this isn’t the case with just football- most sports at Byu do this

1984coug

4/6/22 4:41pm

And yet I bet you would hear the opposite about Pope and the basketball staff.

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:43pm

Key word- most

1984coug

4/6/22 4:47pm

Oh I gave you a thumbs up as I agreed with your post. Pope does have a fraction of the recruits and yet you hear

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:49pm

I think I saw that part after 🙂

1984coug

4/6/22 4:56pm

We are doing it with Esera 🙂

Rat

4/6/22 4:59pm

This.

tcherrin

4/6/22 5:47pm

Wonder why he said what he said in the podcast then…not arguing just confused

ColonelMustard

4/6/22 10:43pm

Esera?

tcherrin

4/7/22 12:33am

Oh oops not him my bad

ColonelMustard

4/7/22 4:19pm

They do have more time than Kalani

deliciousmocha

4/6/22 6:52pm

Sounds like Kalani is getting a Chief of Staff. Could be huge in freeing up his time.

CrimWalCoug

4/6/22 8:58pm

Hot take, I think they rightfully prioritized other players over Gentry.

Jimmerfan32

4/7/22 11:32am

Hopefully Big 12 money will help improve the recruiting budget

LiveCoug

4/6/22 4:41pm

Non P5 until 2023 will do that.

Turnpike Lane

4/6/22 4:41pm

At BYU you should recruit every talented 4 star player you can get regardless of position. Not to mention this is not

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:44pm

a theme for defensive recruiting* in the Sitake era

ldssdl

4/6/22 5:53pm

LB may not be a need position, but you are in crazy town to overlook Lefau

4/6/22 4:46pm

I really like his tape. He is going to be a good one wherever he goes.

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:47pm

He has a BYU flag on his bedroom wall, if BYU misses it goes down as an F in

4/6/22 4:49pm

It sounds like we are trending in that direction unfortunately.

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:50pm

I recall hearing the same of another big-time player....

cajuncoug

4/6/22 6:35pm

This is frustrating…

MAcc15Coug

4/6/22 8:56pm

I’m sure he’s a stud and could be the best LB on the roster day 1 but

Reasonable1

4/6/22 4:49pm

hint, listen to the interview and Lefau tells you, you are way off on your guess

4/6/22 4:56pm

RE: hint, listen to the interview and Lefau tells you, you are way off on your

Reasonable1

4/6/22 6:29pm

listen to the interview & you will believe, he has a BYU flag in his room & says

4/6/22 6:42pm

Sounds like a stud, I hope we get him!

Reasonable1

4/6/22 6:48pm

I would love to see a distribution of responses for BYU. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bimodal distribution...

cougfanblue

4/6/22 4:44pm

Some logic behind this - we generally beat Utah in head-to-head recruiting battles...

cougfanblue

4/6/22 4:46pm

I don't know that we generally beat them

krindorr

4/6/22 5:18pm

Typically equal head to head when they were P5 and we were independent.

DrYfire

4/6/22 5:44pm

VERY GOOD POINT. EVERYONE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS A VALID REASON

ColonelMustard

4/6/22 10:47pm

Which says something about the job coaches have done. I’m not worried about it

Reasonable1

4/6/22 4:47pm

You are not worried about it? Funny as all I heard from coaches last year was we couldn't play defense the way

kimdaddy35

4/6/22 4:53pm

I’m only saying I’m skeptical that coaches would intentionally ignore him.

Reasonable1

4/6/22 7:12pm

Agree with the sentiment, I think that's overstating that websites value though. Eg: they have 3 reviews

molodyets

4/6/22 4:48pm

The N/A is because BYU is new to the P5 designation so there is no 4 yr average

4/6/22 4:51pm

Interesting they didn't include Houston, Cincy, and UCF.

Conan

4/6/22 4:56pm

Very interesting.

AF_Puma

4/7/22 9:32am

My guess is they planned which teams to include prior to realignment

krindorr

4/7/22 10:49am

You're assuming each recruit only visits/reviews one school?

krindorr

4/6/22 8:44pm

I don’t get it. The chart posts a Brand rating and a recruiting rating.

Scott_Tenorman

4/6/22 4:50pm

brand rating is separate, if you read the article it says how the brand rating

4/6/22 4:54pm

I see now. Schools with high scores from the survey get the best recruits

Scott_Tenorman

4/6/22 5:47pm

Let's be honest here... BYU didn't get into the BIG12 because we are some athletic powerhouse...

Coug

4/6/22 5:29pm

I worry we overstate that

krindorr

4/6/22 6:08pm

You're basing your numbers on church activity status... I think that's assuming a lot...

Coug

4/6/22 7:14pm

Hmm, point taken and good to know

krindorr

4/6/22 7:50pm

In Shreveport... I'll just say this, there was a beer line on the BYU side...

Coug

4/6/22 8:04pm

Wow that is disheartening particularly with a guy like Lefau.

CougaRR4L

4/6/22 4:52pm

I'll just add that this has been a problem with Kahuku and BYU.

CougaRR4L

4/6/22 5:12pm

I will only add that you are underselling Kahuku, it's easily a top 25 HS in the

4/6/22 5:38pm

You are correct but I am bias and felt it would be

CougaRR4L

4/7/22 3:06pm

Kahuku hasn’t been fruitful for BYU in a very long time

deliciousmocha

4/6/22 6:56pm

Bronco poisoned the well with Schwenke, so that sort of proves CougaRR4L's point

4/6/22 7:07pm

I’m having a difficult time understanding this post and others of a similar vein

Vegasjohn

4/6/22 9:11pm

I interviewed Reg and is teammate that both committed

deliciousmocha

4/6/22 11:09pm

You have several things mixed up, and some things correct

4/7/22 10:59am

These comments touch closer to how my experience of

CougaRR4L

4/7/22 4:32pm

McMafu had poisoned the well against BYU & Chow long before that.

SinkingQuffa

4/7/22 3:17pm

RE: I'll just add that this has been a problem with Kahuku and BYU.

DrYfire

4/6/22 7:02pm

The staff isn't recruiting Liona, they won't make a push if they have to. If he

Rat

4/6/22 4:58pm

solid logic, after Pili went down, I barely noticed a difference last year

4/6/22 5:08pm

Not surprising that the schools that scored highest on the brand score are all

NOCAL_YFAN

4/6/22 5:01pm

That isn't how they did the survey

4/6/22 5:11pm

No, they did...

NOCAL_YFAN

4/6/22 5:16pm

Wish the story was different with Lefau, but the analysis and charts are bunk.

d-coug

4/6/22 5:07pm

I'd like to see that chart again in about 5-6 years

thewaterboy

4/6/22 5:15pm

Don't expect it to change... BYU is a church run school with an honor code.

TheLost

4/6/22 5:41pm

This is a good point. To 99% of the kids surveyed BYU might as well be on Mars.

ArcticKat

4/6/22 8:07pm

I wonder where UCF, Houston and Cincy would land on that chart

LiveCoug

4/6/22 5:23pm

Not sure I would want Tiaki talking to any defensive recruit anyways.

gp232

4/6/22 5:36pm

I have a lot of questions. First, were those who conducted the interviews

rockyrd

4/6/22 5:45pm

All I see are schools that have been P5 for several years and BYU who is not a

byusage

4/6/22 5:53pm

BYU is a unique school. We aren't going to be the #1 choice for most non-LDS

DrYfire

4/6/22 5:57pm

A couple things

cajuncoug

4/6/22 6:14pm

BYU isn't making LBer's a priority in the 2023 class

RockyBalboa

4/6/22 6:20pm

This smells fishy… BYUs football brand is worse than KU? Nope there is something

Pretorian

4/6/22 7:18pm

Author is the co-founder of Pick-6-Preview, which is the most in-depth

4/6/22 7:26pm

I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down… and that does make sense

Pretorian

4/7/22 5:59am

Something that I think has been missed here is the details of the data sample

Marc Spector

4/6/22 7:29pm

"Brands are built in a decade, not a season."

Happy As Larry

4/6/22 7:34pm

I don't see Cincinatti, Houston or Central Florida.

VenomFarmer

4/6/22 10:03pm

Exactly! I can’t decide if this piece is a hit job or an honor.

notaboy

4/6/22 10:55pm

Bless MAFU.

SinkingQuffa

4/6/22 10:43pm

At first this looks awful, but after reading some responses there are holes in

ColonelMustard

4/6/22 10:56pm

I will just say that I am pretty skeptical of what the graph shows. There are many, many head scratchers on the list.

slatecoug

4/7/22 2:29am

“Are those BYU flags hanging in the background?”

(Private)

4/7/22 7:54am

Is that Illinois and UNC in the top 10 😂🤣😂🤣

Pretorian

4/7/22 9:01am

No, no it isn't

krindorr

4/7/22 9:55am

You’re right that’s Miami… UNC is 14… neither are impressive FB programs

Pretorian

4/7/22 11:31am

A few important (conference) takeaways that haven't yet been discussed

krindorr

4/7/22 10:40am

Maybe this coaching staff has bought into one of the conclusions of this study:

BYUDM93

4/7/22 11:27am

Score is based on a sample size of 3??? LOL. Somebody needs to take Stats 101.

AZ Coug

4/7/22 1:46pm

I'm curious where you're pulling the 3 from. It appears n=1000 to me.

BYUDM93

4/7/22 3:01pm

3 players who made visits to BYU

AZ Coug

4/7/22 3:04pm

That is not who was surveyed

BYUDM93

4/7/22 3:13pm

Hot take here

stoils

4/7/22 2:48pm

BYU needs to hire more recruiting and marketing staff

I'mBatman

4/7/22 3:33pm

The problem here is BYU was misidentified in the survey…. Should’ve been THE BYU

(Private)

4/7/22 5:11pm

BYU is Church owned and it frustrates me they get no financial support from it.

jpal1397

4/7/22 5:12pm

MMM, graph has issues. They claim to measure two different things, but both measures are likely tapping into

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