Good point. I think BYU fans like the P12 argument because they won on the field vs. Utah. Like to revisit...and

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Jan 30, 2023
2:30:26pm

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Good point. I think BYU fans like the P12 argument because they won on the field vs. Utah. Like to revisit...and

presume that that would've been the same outcome any other week.

Either way, it's speculative. They won on the field, so not fair to assume a different outcome in Provo. The problem is, to claim a championship they would have to assume beating Utah again or beating an Oregon team that just destroyed them.

Clearly, Utah hadn't found their offense after losing Ty until the 3-4 game. And BYU was well prepared early in the season but lacked the depth to finish strong...losing to UAB is awkward.

Just one of those things. THey have scoreboard. Unfair to assume Utah would win. But...to claim a championship, they leap to a similar logic that doesn't add up.

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Cheese Fries (and other Ute fans) since you would like this to be a Utah message board, can you please respond to this?

RdF3 Inactive user

1/29/23 10:26am

How long has it been since the Yewts beat BYU in football or basketball?

HarlemCoug

1/29/23 10:28am

2019 for both

CougarGuy84

1/29/23 10:31am

How many kids alive now weren't even born way back then? Millions!

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:39am

RE: How many kids alive now weren't even born way back then? Millions!

CougarGuy84

1/29/23 10:40am

RE: Cheese Fries (and other Ute fans) since you would like this to be a Utah

1/29/23 10:28am

Ouch- just the facts. I’d still love to have that record for BYU eve

SouthernBlueBlood

1/29/23 10:29am

Yeah, but how many "quality losses" do they have during this span.....🤣😂

jtm0001

1/29/23 10:37am

🌹🌹🌹🐊🐊🐊🌹🌹🌹

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:39am

All true but I would love to keep beating them on the field. I’d be

FieroCoug

1/29/23 10:38am

Bowl performance and OCC have been disappointing for Utah for sure

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:43am

You responded all about byu. This has nothing to do with byu. This is about Utah being wildly overrated.

RdF3

1/29/23 10:46am

Isn’t this BYU board?

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:48am

You wanted to talk Utah let’s talk Utah. You didn’t counter any points. So you agree and can’t refute Utah has been

RdF3

1/29/23 10:50am

I’d rather be positive and excited for future of both schools

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 10:59am

Your actions speak otherwise.

BYUtka

1/29/23 11:01am

Oh, NOW you notice.

BYUtka

1/29/23 10:58am

A little bit of sarcasm maybe 🙂

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 11:00am

You can't counter a point about the Pac12 being weak by saying you won the Pac12

runnincoug

1/29/23 10:59am

1/3 of the conference is top 15. 1/2 is ranked. 1/2 is going to be ranked next preseason. Just because there

TFL

1/29/23 7:21pm

that's kind of the point everyone's making ... that the Pac12 is overrated.

runnincoug

1/29/23 9:45pm

I get it now. Yeah, so the computers, all 3 polls and multiple independent rating systems are all wrong and BYU fans

TFL

1/30/23 2:26pm

Put biased data in, you get biased data out. Of course the computer has them

BYUtka

1/30/23 2:34pm

it's interesting how difficult this concept seems to be to grasp.

runnincoug

1/30/23 2:40pm

LOL. So the data is biased? Nah...we all see the same things man. There's the SEC and everybody else

TFL

1/30/23 4:26pm

"Everybody else" beats out of Conference teams... except the PAC 12...

BYUtka

1/30/23 5:11pm

ND, Wisky, MSU, UNC, Florida, Texas — BYU, both MWC div winners. You don't know what you're talking about

TFL

1/30/23 5:18pm

Oh, they have one or two out of conference wins over the past few years? You are

BYUtka

1/30/23 5:33pm

I just listed 10 wins this year. 2019 they were 6-1 against BIG and SEC. That means the P2 was 1-6 against this terrible

TFL

1/30/23 9:56pm

Yea the two years without CFP team they could win

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 7:54pm

You knock BYU for not playing a P5 in 2020. LOL. Runnin’ Yewts ran from playing.

RossoNeri

1/29/23 11:09am

It wasn’t a knock. Illustration you can knit pick any schedule

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:14pm

Regarding #5 - Holmoe is showing he's gonna do the exact same thing. Gone are...

COACHdrn

1/29/23 10:51am

Reality is Utah continues to trend up. Your warcries used to be:

CallSign

1/29/23 11:09am

No, the PAC has trended down. Utah's apparent improvement is just the PAC

BYUtka

1/29/23 11:13am

That’s a stretch and getting a little silly

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:17pm

Not a stretch at all. Honest, unbiased take based on actual results and play.

BYUtka

1/29/23 12:18pm

How are they getting worse?

UC Ute

1/29/23 12:52pm

Past few years they have absolutely been bad. Worse than MWC or AAC. Maybe they

BYUtka

1/29/23 3:39pm

I will agree the Pac-12 is trending up for sure. But how could they not be? It’s been soooo bad.

RdF3

1/29/23 3:47pm

Utah is only “top 20” because you get to play patsy teams every week. And again, this isn’t about byu vs Utah.

RdF3

1/29/23 11:21am

BYU Did quite well w a PAC 12 heavy schedule last year not as far apart

Tmoney1969

1/29/23 11:27am

Good post

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 12:17pm

2021 was still a Covid year for the PAC, 2022 a different story

CallSign

1/29/23 2:09pm

Just the PAC but not B1G 10?

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 2:19pm

You think playing a sprinkling of P5 games and being successful 1x suggests

CallSign

1/29/23 2:22pm

Utah hasn’t beaten byu since 2019.

RdF3

1/29/23 2:31pm

Byu has only beat Utah once in 14 years

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 3:20pm

Only because Utah has canceled the game 5 times.

mulletino

1/29/23 8:39pm

I like the Utes on here it makes it a lively discussion

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 11:57am

I agree. Which I decided to start talking about Utah.

RdF3

1/29/23 12:03pm

Ok. So if you include BYU, Utah since joining the Pac is collectively 16-3

TFL

1/29/23 12:37pm

SDSU was very down this year. Again, Utah looking better due to weak competition

BYUtka

1/29/23 12:44pm

Who is weaker though? Utah’s dominated both conferences. Oregon State beat both MW

TFL

1/29/23 12:57pm

TBF Oregon had 2 special team meltdowns and hurt Nix.

Bobmarleyjr

1/29/23 1:04pm

RE: TBF Oregon had 2 special team meltdowns and hurt Nix.

TReid

1/29/23 10:37pm

If they weren't "P5" and benefitting from the bias, they wouldn't be top 20.

BYUtka

1/29/23 4:01pm

This is a great argument for Utah. Well done. But the OP is talking about the

1/29/23 1:07pm

But his logic compares P12 vs. MWC to show P12 is weak. But then just do Utah vs. P12 / BYU / MW or the whole west

TFL

1/29/23 3:48pm

Try to follow along here. We know Utah is better than G5 teams, because it’s won a G5 equivalent conference two years

RdF3

1/29/23 2:38pm

Lol. But Oregon State beat both MW champs. Oregon blew BYU out in Eugene. USC blew out ND who beat both

TFL

1/29/23 7:19pm

Yeah and in 2021 USU & Utah shared 3 common opponents. Usu went 3-0, Utah went 1-2 LOL.

RdF3

1/29/23 7:26pm

What you don’t realize.

UC Ute

1/30/23 10:41am

P10/12 is a G5 Conference with an annual path to the Playoffs.

Ripliancum

1/29/23 1:00pm

A G5 has made the playoffs more recently than the pac. Pac hasn’t been in 5 year

FieroCoug

1/29/23 1:41pm

There have been lots of positives and negatives about Utah and the PAC

ALUF 1990

1/29/23 1:24pm

Really good point, win championships any way possible

Cheese Fries

1/29/23 1:29pm

LOL. What has BYU done to warrant this attitude?

hereforlaughs

1/29/23 3:16pm

Nice long post I’m not going to waste my time reading. This has nothing to do with byu & everything to do with Utah’s

RdF3

1/29/23 3:21pm

I’ll shorten for you

hereforlaughs

1/29/23 3:32pm

There isn’t anyone in CFB overhyping byu. BYU has also beaten A LOT more non pac12 p5 teams than Utah has the last 5 yrs

RdF3

1/29/23 3:36pm

LOL, what a joke

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 3:54pm

That’s my whole point. When you look under the hood Utah is vastly overrated. They’re benefitting from a patsy Pac-12.

RdF3

1/29/23 4:40pm

That’s my whole point. They’re only overrated in your world.

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 6:48pm

Maybe so. But I think I displayed statistical evidence that the Pac-12 sucks and Utah hasn’t done anything outside of it

RdF3

1/29/23 8:01pm

The only evidence you displayed is that you're biased and blinded

I Bleed Red

1/29/23 9:06pm

Add BYU’s 2021 PAC 12 South title to this list. Had BYU been in the PAC 12, they

BlooCoog

1/29/23 5:39pm

Nah...you have to beat your best win twice to win. Not just at home. I like BYU but the trip to Eugene wasn't pretty.

TFL

1/29/23 7:25pm

You dispute that BYU wouldn’t have won the PAC 12 South had they been members

BlooCoog

1/29/23 10:51pm

Wrong, your assertion is demonstrably false!

I Bleed Red

1/30/23 9:31am

Good point. I think BYU fans like the P12 argument because they won on the field vs. Utah. Like to revisit...and

TFL

1/30/23 2:30pm

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BYUhomie263

1/30/23 9:05pm

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