What bothers me about this whole situation is that Kalani wouldnt fire Tuiaki

Nov 28, 2023
2:29:59pm

Sircumference Starter

when his defenses were truly some of the worst in the nation for multiple years because ... he was family? But then you have some guy who has consistently put out good tight ends and somehow the offense not getting a first down is his fault...? The double standard here is really bad in my opinion

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A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark

Alex Clark Playmaker

11/27/23 11:33pm

I think most here were surprised and upset and would offer up ARod in his place

BYU '80

11/27/23 11:37pm

Sounds like ARod needed a scapegoat 2 save his own skin-at least 4 1 more season

zerome4sooners

11/28/23 5:41am

Here's my question: how does KS/A-Rod think that firing a good(?) TE coach...

COACHdrn

11/28/23 7:32am

That’s the question Jimmy. Yeah, it makes no sense

zerome4sooners

11/28/23 1:39pm

Only way it makes sense is if it's a precursor to hiring a QB coach

krindorr

11/28/23 2:01pm

Let’s now throw to and use the TEs less! That will solve our problems!

sandiegocgrfan

11/28/23 3:15pm

What a deeply touching letter from an outstanding young man about his father

Love Cougs

11/28/23 9:38am

Nah. Most of us didn't want to see either of them go

MaxxPower

11/28/23 11:41am

You're kidding yourself if you think A-rod has been consistently excellent. He

BleedCougarBlue2

11/28/23 1:01pm

Although if ARod were let go, it probably would have meant Funk, Clark, Unga also would be gone anyway

krindorr

11/28/23 11:53am

Thank your Dad for his efforts and care for the team. Best wishes for his health

BostonCougar

11/27/23 11:38pm

The only thing that makes sense

airbug

11/27/23 11:39pm

Time will tell. This could be true

BYU '80

11/28/23 12:05am

Good luck attracting and keeping all of the 4-stars he recruited if they aren’t going to have a tight end coach

Alex Clark

11/28/23 12:10am

That could be the risk. They would still need a TE coach but it would be combine

BYU '80

11/28/23 12:15am

Yeah sorry, it was meant to be a response to the airbug post.

Alex Clark

11/28/23 12:28am

I know a lot of the Clarks and I’ve always been a fan. You guys make Provo great

andrewg3

11/28/23 1:01am

They don't need TE's. Remember, Arod is still there.

777

11/28/23 1:11am

What are you saying?

coastcat

11/28/23 7:01am

He's using sarcasm and a little humor.

kahuna

11/28/23 7:20am

Or maybe the new oline coach really has a TE guy he wants to bring?

JuicyJam

11/28/23 6:28am

Unless the Oline coach is a high level guy, this doesn't make sense.

HighHorse

11/28/23 6:46am

Agreed. Position coaches generally don't have that much sway.

JuicyJam

11/28/23 7:08am

My takeaway from this…

Bobby Lee Swagger

11/28/23 7:30am

RE: The only thing that makes sense

Morty13

11/28/23 9:02am

Maybe ARod's refusal to throw down the middle means he is shifting away from TEs

TailgateU

11/28/23 11:43am

Why would they have to do that? Why not just hire a QB coach?

Natedog916

11/28/23 12:49pm

Limited number of coaches in CFB

cougaman

11/28/23 12:55pm

Ah. Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that.

Natedog916

11/28/23 1:33pm

Thanks for sharing. I appreciate him giving it his all and I hope he can find

ImRonBurgundy?

11/27/23 11:40pm

I really enjoyed listening to his interviews and as a fellow shorty myself…

Little Mac

11/27/23 11:42pm

Thank you for sharing and I hope he finds more peace. So sorry he has dealt with

Cougar TD

11/27/23 11:43pm

Thank you for sharing. Based on Masen Wake’s tweet, and my limited interactions with some past players your

RalphWiggam

11/27/23 11:44pm

Looking forward to Clarkcast next season!

Yes

11/27/23 11:48pm

MLP's tweet also backs up that claim and validates what was posted. Hope your

Sircumference

11/28/23 1:30pm

Extremely well written..

Yes

11/27/23 11:46pm

I think that’d be awesome for him to break down games with former players

GlutealGuy

11/27/23 11:47pm

Fans can be so irrational and brutal. I would love a BYU version manning cast!

Reasonable1

11/27/23 11:49pm

Me too! Clarkcast would be fun to watch

DrGCoug

11/28/23 2:05am

<< Deleted >>

kccougar

11/27/23 11:50pm

I believe CB has suggested a Manning Cast type livestream before. I suggest

DiamondDog

11/27/23 11:51pm

You are a great son of a great man.

NorthwestCoug

11/27/23 11:53pm

Most of us know he was the 2023 scapegoat. This whole height thing is bizarre.

777

11/27/23 11:57pm

I know some love him but Kyle has always seemed to be a superficial man.

Soupie

11/28/23 12:35am

Scapegoat is the wrong word, I think Alex would agree that sacrifice is the word that best describes Toms offering of

Blue2thebone

11/28/23 12:53am

Wonder if felt just Funk wouldn’t be seen as enough change. Needed more for optics. Sad

Soupie

11/28/23 12:56am

Scapegoat is actually the better word. Sacrifice indicates a greater good.

ochobeeguy

11/28/23 9:36am

His height was the thing that attracted me the most to him.

imfear2000

11/28/23 11:56am

BYU is better by having been associated with the Clark family. And thank you for

elguerocougero

11/28/23 12:00am

Best wishes to your dad and your family. Hope this change turns out to be a blessing in disguise.

ManicBlue

11/28/23 12:01am

Thank you for sharing. Your dad is a great man and coach. A BYU man he is!

Burton162

11/28/23 12:02am

Trust us, we don't blame your dad, and we are sad to see him let go.

Blue Ghost

11/28/23 12:03am

I have been able to attend many practices the last few years...

The Y's Insider

11/28/23 12:03am

You don't fire someone like Clark just to be a scapegoat when other personnel changes are already in the works

kccougar

11/28/23 12:09am

sadly, fairness and coaching hiring/firing seldom go together

Hill4Heisman

11/28/23 1:36pm

Such a great tribute. Made me so sad to read.

Wife of Y Not?

11/28/23 12:10am

Wish Kalani would do it himself if he wanted someone fired

Goliath

11/28/23 12:13am

Why do we assume Kalani didn’t *want* to do this? If Arod is a leader, he

Cosmos-beard-card

11/28/23 5:03am

Kalani is NOT untouchable & he, not ARod should be the one

gopman

11/28/23 5:35am

Agree Coach Clark shouldn’t have been fired, wish I believed your other points

Cosmos-beard-card

11/28/23 9:40am

Who is the head coach? That answers who does the firing.

gopman

11/28/23 11:47am

Except it doesn't, outside whatever worldview you've concocted.

Cosmos-beard-card

11/28/23 12:58pm

You should talk to Nick Saban.

gopman

11/28/23 1:15pm

More proof that ARod and KS are incompetent, clueless if they think this will fix the offense. I have my doubts!

coastcat

11/28/23 7:30am

As a former player… many things are not fair and don’t make sense. The most important thing you can take away is that

Rhino84

11/28/23 12:22am

I was shocked to see the news of Coach Clark leaving.

runningfoo

11/28/23 12:28am

Then why did the TE position underperform all year? Where was all the talent?

Hammer15

11/29/23 2:00am

Re-read the post.... I didn't make any claims about his skills in the technical aspects of coaching. Only true

Rhino84

11/29/23 2:11pm

Coach Clark is one of the best X and Os guy around.

pittsburghcoug

11/28/23 12:33am

It clearly wasn’t enough.

DirtyWater

11/28/23 2:46am

It doesn't help if nobody listens.

HighHorse

11/28/23 7:46am

Thank you for sharing this. I've always liked Coach Clark. It's a little

Judge Judy

11/28/23 12:37am

Thanks for your family's dedication to the Cougs. It doesn't make sense...

byujdmba

11/28/23 12:37am

Love your Dad!

richvan

11/28/23 12:37am

Your Dad gave my son a chance at BYU and we are forever grateful for that! He is such a great man and this breaks

richvan

11/28/23 12:42am

Visited w/ your Dad when he took a group of Scouts to tour the FB facilities. He lives in a neighboring ward & a family

Soupie

11/28/23 12:44am

He took me and my wife on a tour of the facilities too.

JuicyJam

11/28/23 7:11am

Thanks for the insights about your dad. Putting a human face on this illustrates

sandiegocgrfan

11/28/23 12:53am

True in general, but I don't remember one person asking for Clark to be fired.

ochobeeguy

11/28/23 9:51am

Sounds like Coach Clark leaving his position was indeed the right thing at least for him if not for the program.

Blue2thebone

11/28/23 12:56am

Awesome post. Well written. Great to see the human side. The success your father has had

TFL

11/28/23 12:58am

He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE much

SwanSong

11/28/23 12:59am

RE: He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE much

quickquackcarwash

11/28/23 8:57am

Throughout the season, I have noticed

quickquackcarwash

11/28/23 10:48am

RE: He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE

JuicyJam

11/28/23 10:51am

We are so screwed until Sitake and ARod are gone. Its gonna be so bad.

CalebSkyview18

11/28/23 1:02am

Funk’s departure was necessary

bigjohn

11/28/23 1:04am

I imagine this is true.

RUNBYU1

11/28/23 1:09am

Clark's name was never even brought up during the most heated and

777

11/28/23 1:10am

Generally, it was Funk ... ARod ... Kalani, in that order.

ManicBlue

11/28/23 1:17am

Which is precisely why it doesn't seem the decision would be an attempt to

Tricky

11/28/23 12:11pm

I appreciate the honest (and brave) post here. CB can be a den of wolves…

Dwide_Schrude

11/28/23 1:30am

Great Post! What a Dad!

BYUFan2010

11/28/23 1:38am

RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark

TrustMeIKnow

11/28/23 2:06am

Exactly.

CalebSkyview18

11/28/23 2:15am

Thank you for posting this. I hope there is another opportunity soon for him

DrGCoug

11/28/23 2:13am

We were all perplexed. He was one of the few bright spots on the staff.

karatekid

11/28/23 2:51am

Awesome post. Thx for sharing

Bovine University

11/28/23 4:23am

Hate to lose such an important part of the program.

isellutah

11/28/23 4:56am

My 2 reactions to this post:

zerome4sooners

11/28/23 5:32am

Your dad's firing was like Bama cheated so the NCAA issued a bowl ban and

BYUlv

11/28/23 6:23am

Thank you for sharing. I'll always be a fan of Coach Clark!

DoneDirtCheap

11/28/23 6:25am

Good post. Well written. 👍🏼

Coug-Ida

11/28/23 6:26am

Thank you for the post and thank you for sharing another side of your Dad. I think all CB is and was sad to hear about

TheLoneCougar

11/28/23 6:41am

Thanks for posting. I wish Coach Clark all the best. A ClarkCast sounds great!

Orem58thBall

11/28/23 6:52am

Whittingham sure is a tool, isn't he?

Roko's Basilisk

11/28/23 6:53am

<< Deleted >>

Idacoug

11/28/23 6:54am

Thanks for clearing the air.

RedSox

11/28/23 6:58am

Kalani can't do his own dirty work? If true, that's truly disappointing.

CharlottesvilleCoug

11/28/23 7:00am

Sounds a lot like the Detmer release.

Count Cougar

11/28/23 7:37am

Having others do your dirty work puts a stain on the “ KS is such a fine man who represents BYU values “ image. KS

coastcat

11/28/23 8:08am

We don't know how much KS influenced the decision. I assume Clark reported to ARod as OC so it seems

Bobber

11/28/23 8:48am

The final call is made by the head coach. Period. The "Kalani isn't

gopman

11/28/23 8:52am

Just because you end your opinion with “period” does not make it a fact. There

Cosmos-beard-card

11/28/23 10:18am

The lengths people on this board go to exonerate Kalani......

gopman

11/28/23 12:39pm

The unwillingness on here to read other people's PoVs and evolve their own...

Cosmos-beard-card

11/28/23 1:01pm

Do you work for the BYU athletic department?

Les IsMore

11/28/23 4:15pm

Most asst coaches are on a one year contract. They aren't really fired but don't have their contract renewed

LaserCoug

11/28/23 4:23pm

I’m saying every organization does it differently. I’ve worked for many large

Cosmos-beard-card

11/29/23 4:39am

RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark

DavisCoCoug

11/28/23 7:13am

I am a huge fan of your Dad’s FWIW. I am sorry this happened to him.

Socrates Johnson

11/28/23 7:17am

Mad props to you and your dad

niqmadu

11/28/23 7:18am

Wait, someone posts their real name and real story? I love CB for this.

kiyoshige

11/28/23 7:22am

Sounds like he might be better off doing something else. Football is cool, but there are other things more fundamental

Haysom Till

11/28/23 7:28am

Coach Clark is overqualified to be a TE coach

bonesnineteen

11/28/23 7:47am

This is why I don’t understand the firing. Why not reassign him as QB coach?

BYU'01

11/28/23 2:12pm

Thank You and your Dad! from this Cougar Fan! Once a Coug always aCoug! GoCougs!

baishel44

11/28/23 7:49am

Interesting post...

Coug

11/28/23 7:54am

Thanks for sharing. I don't know anything about any comments about his size, so

cDog801

11/28/23 8:00am

I appreciate your dad's devotion to BYU. I am confident he will be well in the

rockyrd

11/28/23 8:00am

Well said and best of luck to your father and family

Cougarpride

11/28/23 8:03am

I think everyone was shocked to see Clark’s name and expected Funk.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/28/23 8:08am

Classy post

CougarMandias

11/28/23 8:09am

Thank you, Alex. Very classy. My prayers are with your dad. He will be missed.

TRUE_BLUE_COUGY

11/28/23 8:37am

Thank you for posting. It was a head scratcher for me him being let go. All the

Big-Q

11/28/23 8:39am

Really crazy move by the coaches, he can’t be a scapegoat because it’s clear

here's to hoping

11/28/23 8:45am

My guess is that it's about the QB play...which sucks and isn't fair to Clark

krindorr

11/28/23 8:49am

Is it a rule to only allow 5 offensive coaches and 5 defensive, or is it budget

Das_Countach

11/28/23 12:24pm

NCAA Rule. No requirement on the breakdown between offense and defense though

LaserCoug

11/28/23 12:30pm

10 is max, breakdown doesn't have to be 5/5, but it's hard to imagine taking resources away from Hill immediately

krindorr

11/28/23 12:51pm

If you need to hire a dedicated QB coach, you have to let someone go. Sucks for

Junior Deputy

11/28/23 9:25am

Why not just do like SEC schools do and hire consultants?

Les IsMore

11/28/23 4:21pm

That's actually the definition of a scapegoat. Innocent blamed for other people.

ochobeeguy

11/28/23 9:49am

I knew I wasn’t crazy!

Alex Clark

11/28/23 6:56pm

Players knew that being in Steve's group was a privilege

BlueZone

11/28/23 9:53am

This sounds like a Kalani was behind it.

shakarocks

11/28/23 10:06am

You have no reason to jump to that conclusion from the OP. Example Scenario: KS tells AR that he is on the hot seat

Rhino84

11/28/23 10:52am

No idea if this is true. But of all the explanations put out there, it seems to make the most sense to me.

Alex Clark

11/28/23 7:01pm

I second all the posts thanking your dad. I am truly grateful for every single

nybyblue

11/28/23 10:12am

Love the Clarks, and thanks for the authentic post! Here’s to better things

blue13

11/28/23 10:24am

Thank you Coach Clark!

The Number Cruncher

11/28/23 10:28am

I don’t know your Dad, but I do know that he has an awesome son.

Rocketman

11/28/23 10:32am

Thanks for sharing and I think a lot on here agree with you that he was not the

Blue for Life

11/28/23 10:38am

CB was collectively just as surprised as you were when Coach Clark was let go. I

BlooCoug

11/28/23 10:42am

Yeah, I think most of us are still scratching our heads over that firing.

KCFan85

11/28/23 10:56am

I definitely appreciate your insights - thank you for sharing.

Eddie

11/28/23 11:00am

Your Dad is THE MAN

EDthoracotomy

11/28/23 11:06am

Not interested in the Manning Cast show

Jimmerfan32

11/28/23 11:40am

Hahaha appreciate the honesty!

Alex Clark

11/28/23 7:08pm

Well that’s business. I’m sure Kalani had the best in mind for the program.

Domin8

11/28/23 12:17pm

Great post. Unfortunately your performance

BYUvermont

11/28/23 1:03pm

Welp, 2 things for sure:1 - KS is weak to not let a coach go himself. 2 - KW is

BleedCougarBlue2

11/28/23 1:03pm

Lol, taken out of context.. we have limited details. CB is often ridiculous

Domin8

11/28/23 5:52pm

I think most of us were disappointed with the decision.

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/23 2:20pm

What bothers me about this whole situation is that Kalani wouldnt fire Tuiaki

Sircumference

11/28/23 2:29pm

Do you have any more insights on what happened with Holker?:)

Undefeated

11/28/23 2:39pm

RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark

Bowers86

11/28/23 4:10pm

My last post was deleted so I will try again. Your dad was one of the best

kimdaddy35

11/28/23 4:17pm

Kyle Whittingham should have a lawsuit slapped against him for Discrimination.

bLuE wAvEs

11/28/23 4:55pm

Kyle isn't short

shakarocks

11/28/23 5:14pm

Height isn't a protected class so it's allowed to discriminate

krindorr

11/28/23 5:27pm

Looks like you are right. Apparently Utah voted this spring & it got denied.

bLuE wAvEs

11/28/23 6:10pm

sounds like he is the sacrificial lamb

dccoug

11/28/23 4:56pm

Sad to read this. Wish your dad and family all the best!

LateToTheGame

11/28/23 5:35pm

What a post…

rmarkerm

11/28/23 6:48pm

I still wonder if we are bringing in an OL coach who is taking over TE as well

YOHONOMOTO

11/28/23 6:59pm

Not possible. TE go with skills position on skeleton drills, 1 on 1s

Bobmarleyjr

11/28/23 7:52pm

Sorry. I meant maybe he's a package deal bringing his own guy.

YOHONOMOTO

11/28/23 9:22pm

Loved your Dad coaching at BYU- thx for sharing

chidote1

11/28/23 7:55pm

Eyeroll just to complete the yahtzee.

Spiff

11/28/23 8:00pm

this post looks like it smashed all sorts of CB records for engagement ... true?

mindzeYe

11/28/23 10:03pm

No. I know #of views isn’t even close. I forget which ones have the most POTD and thumbs up, but those numbers were high

kirty

11/28/23 10:32pm

Here are all of the top ones

El Jefe

11/28/23 10:48pm

Thanks for sharing that it's a solid top 6 for POTD.

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