The HC stopped being useful when it was no longer about 'honor' but about

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May 3, 2016
4:38:54pm

macdizzle All-American

a Gestapo-style culture of tattling and punishment enthroned over actual, you know, honor.

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macdizzle

Previous username: mckaya
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Time

If this tweet holds any validity then

Triggerhappybunny

5/3/16 3:49pm

We're out then, but isn't Baylor going through a whole sexual assault issue

Texas Hammer

5/3/16 3:50pm

Yes, as well as Kansas State I believe.

Triggerhappybunny

5/3/16 3:52pm

Which may be why they don't add another school with the same issues.

Eddie

5/3/16 5:48pm

Ever conference has various members involved in Title IX disputes

Gustav

5/3/16 5:57pm

And yet, only 1 school was on the cover of CNN.com this past week.

Eddie

5/3/16 6:01pm

There was also that minor issue of a bball player that murdered another player.

Walter Bellhaven

5/3/16 9:13pm

ooooh geez. nit picking a little aren't we.

Y2k

5/3/16 9:30pm

Get rid of the Honor Code Office. It has outlived its usefulness and is only

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:51pm

Oh brother.

LaVellIfIKnow

5/3/16 4:00pm

Wrong

AzCoug1

5/3/16 4:23pm

Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an

Kerbouchard

5/3/16 6:42pm

RE: Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an

Bullrider

5/3/16 8:13pm

West Point has an honor code...and an honor board(i.e., office). If you really

sah22

5/3/16 9:30pm

100% agree. The Honor Code and BYU's culture is keeping sexual assault at an una

jbonita

5/3/16 4:23pm

The HC stopped being useful when it was no longer about 'honor' but about

macdizzle

5/3/16 4:38pm

100%. The more we can get BYU to mirror other universities the better. We need t

jbonita

5/3/16 4:48pm

You can't live the spirit of the law

stoils

5/3/16 4:56pm

While I don't necessarily agree with the "get rid of it" approach...

Eddie

5/3/16 5:52pm

BYU is not the church

stoils

5/3/16 6:04pm

If you don't understand that 90% of the HC is about sin, I'm not sure we...

Eddie

5/3/16 6:16pm

Just because sins are included in the HC

stoils

5/3/16 6:24pm

As soon as the AFA, US Government, etc....

Eddie

5/4/16 12:44pm

What about nephi killing laban, children of israel driving out caananites etc.

Harrison0Yfan

5/3/16 7:58pm

This is honestly so not true... Who deals with academic related issues? the HCO

Dissenter

5/3/16 8:15pm

These are great examples.

Eddie

5/4/16 2:47pm

Exactly, there is nothing honorable about it.

k2coug

5/3/16 9:28pm

Nothing honorable?

stoils

5/4/16 11:04am

They should keep it, but they should just put someone like you in charge of it.

Y2k

5/3/16 8:19pm

I think Kerbouchard just volunteered to do it pro bono

stoils

5/4/16 11:07am

BYU is its own worst enemy sometimes

DapperDan

5/3/16 3:52pm

There's no way that's true. If anyone is saying that, it's just another excuse.

RugbyCoug

5/3/16 3:52pm

It's the current manifestation of potential political baggage that BYU brings

DapperDan

5/3/16 3:59pm

Only partial summary of Dodd

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

5/3/16 3:52pm

I think it's a left-field, stupid reason to even bring up.

El Fuego

5/3/16 3:53pm

Not to those who view the chilling of rape reports as a big issue,

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:57pm

Ugh... there is no way there is any truth to that...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 3:53pm

Deny it all you want; BYU will still be on the outside looking in after the next

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:55pm

It wouldn't have a thing to do with this if so

cougarmanguy

5/3/16 3:56pm

So you say.

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:58pm

Most rational people without an ax to grind would agree

cougarmanguy

5/3/16 3:59pm

Cause BYU has a history of win at all costs approach

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 4:07pm

I agree, but it won't be because of something so easily resolved as this

BYUCoug11

5/3/16 4:00pm

But it won't be because of the HC/Rape incident...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 4:00pm

i agree, but it's not going to be because of the HC thing.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:04pm

Dodd said it was purely his opinion. Not from any B12 source

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

5/3/16 3:56pm

the media is making it out to be something it isn't, the facts are not bad

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:39pm

Victims shouldn't have any honor code issues...it's pretty bad...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 10:44pm

I don't care if they give them immunity but I don't blame them for accoutability

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:49pm

That should be between them and their bishop... BYU needs to keep their nose...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 11:08pm

If rules are not enforced there are no rules. BYU standards is part of identity

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:13pm

time and a place... there is a time to enforce and a time when it's none...

Smoke Monster

5/4/16 12:46pm

If it wasn't that, it would be something else

MHOP

5/3/16 3:53pm

Dodd is not a fan of byu. He has been retweeting articles saying that the NCAA

Bostonblue

5/3/16 3:58pm

Are retweets endorsements? Has anyone covered that yet?

riboflavin

5/3/16 3:59pm

Dodd also said that his comments about the BYU HCO were not conveyed

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:01pm

because i think he thinks its going to be an issue moving forward.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:02pm

i.e. he desperately wants it to be an issue going forward.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:04pm

i think that's a leap. i agree that it will be an issue going forward as schools

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:07pm

he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues and he doesn't agree with byu's

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:09pm

where's the proof that he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues?

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:11pm

I've been following him on twitter for years. Go back and read em if you have

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:13pm

i have as well but haven't seen it. you could be right.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:14pm

I'm not saying I always disagree with him, but he usually weighs in any time a

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:17pm

Are you suggesting that a reporter covered a major news story???

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:26pm

I hate when people butt-in to a conversation who haven't read the whole thread.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:38pm

Yet he said its the "biggest obstacle"? Dumb

YIsForBrigham

5/3/16 4:11pm

If you think this isn't an issue, you need a reality

Cougarealist

5/3/16 4:00pm

it could be an issue, but it's certainly not the biggest issue.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:03pm

It's an issue between BYU and it's students...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 4:05pm

You have your head in the sand

The Brig

5/3/16 7:28pm

Your axe to grind against the honor code

stoils

5/4/16 11:09am

If this was said, this tells me they are looking for ANY excuse to not add BYU.

Superman21

5/3/16 4:09pm

it wasn't said. Dodd admitted as much.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:11pm

Dodd is trying to make it an issue

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 4:14pm

Have you seen the news lately? It's already an issue. It is one that can be

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:16pm

It's a local issue that has made 2 minutes of national news...

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 4:19pm

You're right completely local, if you don't count ABC, CNN, TIME, HuffPo, NYT,

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:25pm

the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:27pm

RE: the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:38pm

Dodd is a reporter. Did he quote an official in the conference?

Superman21

5/3/16 4:18pm

lol. it was dodd's opinion.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:19pm

That is my point. I don't think anybody from the BIGXII would say anything.

Superman21

5/3/16 4:20pm

Compare the number of sexual assaults at BYU to any B12 school & get back to me.

CaliWG

5/3/16 4:13pm

Should we compare the # of sexual assaults where the girl gets investigated?

The Dude Abides

5/3/16 4:42pm

Am I in favor of how BYU handles it? No, and I hope the policy changes. But...

CaliWG

5/3/16 4:56pm

You actually are blaming them, whether you realize it or not.

messi

5/3/16 5:42pm

I'm not blaming them

CaliWG

5/3/16 5:51pm

Wrong, you are blaming them. You are implying that if they would have followed

messi

5/3/16 6:15pm

There's a huge diff between exposing yourself to danger & assertive action

CaliWG

5/3/16 6:29pm

There are several holes in your argument, and I'm not sure what you mean by

messi

5/3/16 6:57pm

I agree with you. But do have a question.

Eddie

5/4/16 3:12pm

I kind of wish people would stop using traffic accident analogies for rape.

The Dude Abides

5/3/16 6:32pm

Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so BYU's not that "safe"

Hill4Heisman

5/3/16 6:40pm

it's absurd to say that BYU isn't safe. Of course it is.

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 8:02pm

Rapes go unreported everywhere for other reasons. I highly doubt that the

Harrison0Yfan

5/3/16 8:05pm

If you have been drinking and then are raped and don't report it

AzCoug1

5/3/16 8:39pm

Yep. If you break the rules and then don't report because you broke the rules...

pgbyufan

5/3/16 10:31pm

You do realize that police generally don't prosecute those things when a rape

Y2k

5/3/16 10:40pm

they don't prosecute but these are not crimes and no jail, just suspension

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:52pm

But it does clearly send the message that if you don't want to go through the

Y2k

5/4/16 12:45am

I agree and mostly but not as big a problem as you might think.

Bobmarleyjr

5/4/16 12:59am

I agree with that. But they should fix the policy, and while they're at it

Y2k

5/4/16 1:07am

Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so whatever I say next is

Y2k

5/3/16 9:03pm

I have to wonder if DD is 'on the take'.

Rocketman

5/3/16 5:40pm

the tweet is nonsense - there was 1 reported rape at BYU in 2014. The idea that somehow rape culture is a

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 5:50pm

BYU was actually Ranked the #1 safest campus in America

CaliWG

5/3/16 5:59pm

Impressive given the number of students at BYU

pgbyufan

5/3/16 10:33pm

Big difference between reported rapes and actual rapes

Hill4Heisman

5/3/16 6:47pm

You think honor code increases the likelihood of a sexual assault?

jbonita

5/3/16 6:53pm

Not the HC itself, but the HC policy of formally investigating all victims.

Hill4Heisman

5/4/16 12:36pm

I am trying to understand. You the HC plus its investigation policy makes one mo

jbonita

5/4/16 12:41pm

2 main reasons why HC increases risk

Hill4Heisman

5/4/16 1:58pm

Offset by way more reasons why HC enforcement reduces risk

stoils

5/4/16 2:08pm

I get your points, but BYU's sexual assault rate is very low. Some of that is

jbonita

5/4/16 2:10pm

I agree that it increases the risk - it takes it from .000037 to about .00005. Still WAY below

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 8:01pm

anyone that says most girls are having sex or drinks at BYU and being assaulted

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:00pm

Did you ever notice most of these "students" have issues with the church or BYU?

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:56pm

Don't believe that at all

spugeddy24

5/3/16 6:19pm

Big 12 isnt involved in that. It is a school issue. Has nothing to do with them

Count Cougar

5/3/16 7:27pm

That is a bunch of bull. No way b12 would care about that

chazen

5/3/16 11:04pm

Especially because it doesn't involve athletes and facts are just ideological

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:14pm

I'm a fan that isn't a fan of the school, and this would not end things for me.

District

5/4/16 12:20am

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