There's a huge diff between exposing yourself to danger & assertive action

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May 3, 2016
6:29:27pm

CaliWG All-American

There's a huge diff between exposing yourself to danger & assertive action

The law agrees with me. The blame lies completely with the individual who decided to take assertive action to sexually assault anther individual. Pointing out that someone exposed themself to danger in no way blames that person for the actions of somebody else.

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CaliWG

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Time

If this tweet holds any validity then

Triggerhappybunny

5/3/16 3:49pm

We're out then, but isn't Baylor going through a whole sexual assault issue

5/3/16 3:50pm

Yes, as well as Kansas State I believe.

Triggerhappybunny

5/3/16 3:52pm

Which may be why they don't add another school with the same issues.

Eddie

5/3/16 5:48pm

Ever conference has various members involved in Title IX disputes

Gustav

5/3/16 5:57pm

And yet, only 1 school was on the cover of CNN.com this past week.

Eddie

5/3/16 6:01pm

There was also that minor issue of a bball player that murdered another player.

Walter Bellhaven

5/3/16 9:13pm

ooooh geez. nit picking a little aren't we.

Y2k

5/3/16 9:30pm

Get rid of the Honor Code Office. It has outlived its usefulness and is only

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:51pm

Oh brother.

5/3/16 4:00pm

Wrong

AzCoug1

5/3/16 4:23pm

Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an

Kerbouchard

5/3/16 6:42pm

RE: Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an

Bullrider

5/3/16 8:13pm

West Point has an honor code...and an honor board(i.e., office). If you really

sah22

5/3/16 9:30pm

100% agree. The Honor Code and BYU's culture is keeping sexual assault at an una

jbonita

5/3/16 4:23pm

The HC stopped being useful when it was no longer about 'honor' but about

macdizzle

5/3/16 4:38pm

100%. The more we can get BYU to mirror other universities the better. We need t

jbonita

5/3/16 4:48pm

You can't live the spirit of the law

stoils

5/3/16 4:56pm

While I don't necessarily agree with the "get rid of it" approach...

Eddie

5/3/16 5:52pm

BYU is not the church

stoils

5/3/16 6:04pm

If you don't understand that 90% of the HC is about sin, I'm not sure we...

Eddie

5/3/16 6:16pm

Just because sins are included in the HC

stoils

5/3/16 6:24pm

As soon as the AFA, US Government, etc....

Eddie

5/4/16 12:44pm

What about nephi killing laban, children of israel driving out caananites etc.

Harrison0Yfan

5/3/16 7:58pm

This is honestly so not true... Who deals with academic related issues? the HCO

Dissenter

5/3/16 8:15pm

These are great examples.

Eddie

5/4/16 2:47pm

Exactly, there is nothing honorable about it.

k2coug

5/3/16 9:28pm

Nothing honorable?

stoils

5/4/16 11:04am

They should keep it, but they should just put someone like you in charge of it.

Y2k

5/3/16 8:19pm

I think Kerbouchard just volunteered to do it pro bono

stoils

5/4/16 11:07am

BYU is its own worst enemy sometimes

DapperDan

5/3/16 3:52pm

There's no way that's true. If anyone is saying that, it's just another excuse.

RugbyCoug

5/3/16 3:52pm

It's the current manifestation of potential political baggage that BYU brings

DapperDan

5/3/16 3:59pm

Only partial summary of Dodd

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

5/3/16 3:52pm

I think it's a left-field, stupid reason to even bring up.

El Fuego

5/3/16 3:53pm

Not to those who view the chilling of rape reports as a big issue,

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:57pm

Ugh... there is no way there is any truth to that...

5/3/16 3:53pm

Deny it all you want; BYU will still be on the outside looking in after the next

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:55pm

It wouldn't have a thing to do with this if so

5/3/16 3:56pm

So you say.

SoCalCoug

5/3/16 3:58pm

Most rational people without an ax to grind would agree

5/3/16 3:59pm

Cause BYU has a history of win at all costs approach

5/3/16 4:07pm

I agree, but it won't be because of something so easily resolved as this

BYUCoug11

5/3/16 4:00pm

But it won't be because of the HC/Rape incident...

5/3/16 4:00pm

i agree, but it's not going to be because of the HC thing.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:04pm

Dodd said it was purely his opinion. Not from any B12 source

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

5/3/16 3:56pm

the media is making it out to be something it isn't, the facts are not bad

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:39pm

Victims shouldn't have any honor code issues...it's pretty bad...

5/3/16 10:44pm

I don't care if they give them immunity but I don't blame them for accoutability

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:49pm

That should be between them and their bishop... BYU needs to keep their nose...

5/3/16 11:08pm

If rules are not enforced there are no rules. BYU standards is part of identity

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:13pm

time and a place... there is a time to enforce and a time when it's none...

5/4/16 12:46pm

If it wasn't that, it would be something else

MHOP

5/3/16 3:53pm

Dodd is not a fan of byu. He has been retweeting articles saying that the NCAA

Bostonblue

5/3/16 3:58pm

Are retweets endorsements? Has anyone covered that yet?

riboflavin

5/3/16 3:59pm

Dodd also said that his comments about the BYU HCO were not conveyed

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:01pm

because i think he thinks its going to be an issue moving forward.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:02pm

i.e. he desperately wants it to be an issue going forward.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:04pm

i think that's a leap. i agree that it will be an issue going forward as schools

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:07pm

he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues and he doesn't agree with byu's

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:09pm

where's the proof that he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues?

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:11pm

I've been following him on twitter for years. Go back and read em if you have

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:13pm

i have as well but haven't seen it. you could be right.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:14pm

I'm not saying I always disagree with him, but he usually weighs in any time a

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:17pm

Are you suggesting that a reporter covered a major news story???

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:26pm

I hate when people butt-in to a conversation who haven't read the whole thread.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:38pm

Yet he said its the "biggest obstacle"? Dumb

5/3/16 4:11pm

If you think this isn't an issue, you need a reality

5/3/16 4:00pm

it could be an issue, but it's certainly not the biggest issue.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:03pm

It's an issue between BYU and it's students...

5/3/16 4:05pm

You have your head in the sand

The Brig

5/3/16 7:28pm

Your axe to grind against the honor code

stoils

5/4/16 11:09am

If this was said, this tells me they are looking for ANY excuse to not add BYU.

Superman21

5/3/16 4:09pm

it wasn't said. Dodd admitted as much.

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:11pm

Dodd is trying to make it an issue

5/3/16 4:14pm

Have you seen the news lately? It's already an issue. It is one that can be

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:16pm

It's a local issue that has made 2 minutes of national news...

5/3/16 4:19pm

You're right completely local, if you don't count ABC, CNN, TIME, HuffPo, NYT,

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:25pm

the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk

Bostonblue

5/3/16 4:27pm

RE: the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk

DapperDan

5/3/16 4:38pm

Dodd is a reporter. Did he quote an official in the conference?

Superman21

5/3/16 4:18pm

lol. it was dodd's opinion.

riboflavin

5/3/16 4:19pm

That is my point. I don't think anybody from the BIGXII would say anything.

Superman21

5/3/16 4:20pm

Compare the number of sexual assaults at BYU to any B12 school & get back to me.

CaliWG

5/3/16 4:13pm

Should we compare the # of sexual assaults where the girl gets investigated?

The Dude Abides

5/3/16 4:42pm

Am I in favor of how BYU handles it? No, and I hope the policy changes. But...

CaliWG

5/3/16 4:56pm

You actually are blaming them, whether you realize it or not.

messi

5/3/16 5:42pm

I'm not blaming them

CaliWG

5/3/16 5:51pm

Wrong, you are blaming them. You are implying that if they would have followed

messi

5/3/16 6:15pm

There's a huge diff between exposing yourself to danger & assertive action

CaliWG

5/3/16 6:29pm

There are several holes in your argument, and I'm not sure what you mean by

messi

5/3/16 6:57pm

I agree with you. But do have a question.

Eddie

5/4/16 3:12pm

I kind of wish people would stop using traffic accident analogies for rape.

The Dude Abides

5/3/16 6:32pm

Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so BYU's not that "safe"

Hill4Heisman

5/3/16 6:40pm

it's absurd to say that BYU isn't safe. Of course it is.

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 8:02pm

Rapes go unreported everywhere for other reasons. I highly doubt that the

Harrison0Yfan

5/3/16 8:05pm

If you have been drinking and then are raped and don't report it

AzCoug1

5/3/16 8:39pm

Yep. If you break the rules and then don't report because you broke the rules...

pgbyufan

5/3/16 10:31pm

You do realize that police generally don't prosecute those things when a rape

Y2k

5/3/16 10:40pm

they don't prosecute but these are not crimes and no jail, just suspension

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:52pm

But it does clearly send the message that if you don't want to go through the

Y2k

5/4/16 12:45am

I agree and mostly but not as big a problem as you might think.

Bobmarleyjr

5/4/16 12:59am

I agree with that. But they should fix the policy, and while they're at it

Y2k

5/4/16 1:07am

Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so whatever I say next is

Y2k

5/3/16 9:03pm

I have to wonder if DD is 'on the take'.

Rocketman

5/3/16 5:40pm

the tweet is nonsense - there was 1 reported rape at BYU in 2014. The idea that somehow rape culture is a

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 5:50pm

BYU was actually Ranked the #1 safest campus in America

CaliWG

5/3/16 5:59pm

Impressive given the number of students at BYU

pgbyufan

5/3/16 10:33pm

Big difference between reported rapes and actual rapes

Hill4Heisman

5/3/16 6:47pm

You think honor code increases the likelihood of a sexual assault?

jbonita

5/3/16 6:53pm

Not the HC itself, but the HC policy of formally investigating all victims.

Hill4Heisman

5/4/16 12:36pm

I am trying to understand. You the HC plus its investigation policy makes one mo

jbonita

5/4/16 12:41pm

2 main reasons why HC increases risk

Hill4Heisman

5/4/16 1:58pm

Offset by way more reasons why HC enforcement reduces risk

stoils

5/4/16 2:08pm

I get your points, but BYU's sexual assault rate is very low. Some of that is

jbonita

5/4/16 2:10pm

I agree that it increases the risk - it takes it from .000037 to about .00005. Still WAY below

HarlemCoug

5/3/16 8:01pm

anyone that says most girls are having sex or drinks at BYU and being assaulted

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:00pm

Did you ever notice most of these "students" have issues with the church or BYU?

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 10:56pm

Don't believe that at all

spugeddy24

5/3/16 6:19pm

Big 12 isnt involved in that. It is a school issue. Has nothing to do with them

Count Cougar

5/3/16 7:27pm

That is a bunch of bull. No way b12 would care about that

chazen

5/3/16 11:04pm

Especially because it doesn't involve athletes and facts are just ideological

Bobmarleyjr

5/3/16 11:14pm

I'm a fan that isn't a fan of the school, and this would not end things for me.

District

5/4/16 12:20am

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