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May 2, 2015
3:53:55pm

Bob Vance

No, but the either/or dichotomy is wrong here and a waste of energy

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Bob Vance

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After watching the draft, I'm even more convinced that Bronco needs to get some

newey-west

5/2/15 3:25pm

There is a problem getting guys to the NFL, but I have no idea where to point

Shimmy

5/2/15 3:29pm

Watching FCS players get drafted and so far not 1 BYU kid...

5/2/15 3:29pm

Seeing FCS kids get drafted isn't troubling at all.

kudzucoug

5/2/15 3:44pm

So, you think it's a recruiting issue?

newey-west

5/2/15 3:47pm

I think it is both a recruiting issue and a development issue.

kudzucoug

5/2/15 3:57pm

Both of those issues directly point to the coaching staff.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:00pm

I am not sure it is his fault

2FarGone

5/2/15 3:39pm

If you don't know where to place the blame, then a good bet is the person who

newey-west

5/2/15 3:42pm

I would be curious to see how many players other teams that have recruiting

kudzucoug

5/2/15 3:45pm

how does increased age from missions factor in?

SUAVO

5/2/15 3:47pm

Utah is a good comp

newey-west

5/2/15 3:47pm

Blame President Worthen. The players have no responsibility to get themselves

Bob Vance

5/2/15 3:50pm

So, you think that Bronco et al. just have a history of recruiting lazy and

newey-west

5/2/15 3:51pm

No, but the either/or dichotomy is wrong here and a waste of energy

Bob Vance

5/2/15 3:53pm

Why is the dichotomy wrong? After putting Ziggy into the NFL, Bronco changed his

newey-west

5/2/15 3:55pm

Because "lazy and unmotivated" is not the only other option to "don't develop

Bob Vance

5/2/15 4:14pm

Okay, so you think it's recruiting.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:16pm

Hey, look at that, another possibility jumps into the option matrix

Bob Vance

5/2/15 4:19pm

It's not either/or thinking.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:55pm

Bronco didnt put Ziggy in the NFL, Ziggy did with his freak athleticism.

5/2/15 6:31pm

Bronco taught him the basics and he recognized that Ziggy had potential.

newey-west

5/2/15 6:35pm

When did he recognize his potential? When he didn't play him until he had too?

5/2/15 8:23pm

Well, he let him on the team.

newey-west

5/2/15 8:25pm

He also lets on crappy players. That doesnt prove your point.

5/2/15 11:05pm

Best part about Ziggy is that it was an Elder who scouted him.

5/2/15 6:43pm

You think BYU should be putting out more? Whats your justification if so?

BYUfan92

5/2/15 5:43pm

Comparables with BYU?

newey-west

5/2/15 6:30pm

Utah isn't comparable I dont think - the "Honor Code" they have is a joke and

BYUfan92

5/2/15 10:03pm

Though its not everything, I think missions hold a lot of the blame

WhiteKnight

5/2/15 3:57pm

Sure, BYU has some institutional features that make things a little challenging.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:02pm

they do get some, but I'd rather have a 21 yr old

SUAVO

5/2/15 4:09pm

Agreed. Bronco did just make some changes to his redshirt policy.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:10pm

For context, Notre Dame had one player drafted. One.

5/2/15 3:55pm

How many ND players have been drafted in the last 5 years?

newey-west

5/2/15 3:57pm

The answer is 20.

newey-west

5/2/15 4:06pm

It's not about this year; it's a fairly well established theme.

Non-mo Coug

5/2/15 4:11pm

It has definitely been one of the more troubling aspects of his tenure.

eddog

5/2/15 4:02pm

Good call, has to be Omer's fault. No way Bronco has anything to

Zach Morris

5/2/15 4:43pm

Or you could look at what the NFL wants and see if it matches up to what BYU has

BYUfan92

5/2/15 5:35pm

False. During the Crowton era BYU had the 2nd most players in the NFL

Zach Morris

5/2/15 5:53pm

Which of course is not true at all...

5/2/15 6:07pm

looking forward to your backpedaling soon as I link the quote.

Zach Morris

5/2/15 6:08pm

LOL - I can't wait.

5/2/15 6:10pm

RE: LOL - I can't wait.

5/2/15 6:13pm

Ditto

5/2/15 6:50pm

From a 2009 artricle:

5/3/15 9:24am

Interesting.

5/3/15 10:01am

What I originally brought up is true PP. Just own it...

Zach Morris

5/3/15 10:21am

So.....

5/3/15 10:26am

How is bringing it up several times in an effort to sell the program

Zach Morris

5/3/15 10:53am

First - prove "several times"

5/3/15 11:04am

I really don't care anymore and according to Bronco's record with draftee's

Zach Morris

5/3/15 11:13am

You are making things up again

5/3/15 11:19am

Here's a cached version of the link...

5/3/15 10:33pm

RE: LOL - I can't wait.

Zach Morris

5/2/15 6:20pm

First off - thanks for a link. That is almost unprecedented for you.

5/2/15 6:50pm

mpfunk's dupe account?

5/2/15 7:07pm

Are you talking about me or Zack?

5/2/15 7:37pm

So for the laughy faces and thumbs down - point out where I am wrong.

5/2/15 7:43pm

So I guess I can safely assume that the idea that Zach

5/2/15 9:34pm

Nobody more offended by smiley's and thumbs down. Knife to the chest!

southernfriedcougar

5/3/15 11:30pm

Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?

BYUfan92

5/2/15 6:09pm

RE: Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?

Zach Morris

5/2/15 6:21pm

Explanation of link

5/2/15 6:51pm

RE: Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?

Zach Morris

5/2/15 6:26pm

And a link

5/2/15 6:53pm

Oh, so you think it's a recruiting issue?

newey-west

5/2/15 6:32pm

This is true bm and th came to socal

Blue Cougar

5/2/15 7:37pm

Apparently not.

5/2/15 7:46pm

Why?

5/2/15 6:09pm

You don't think that the ability to recruit talent helps you win games?

newey-west

5/2/15 6:28pm

There has been no fall off in the recruiting of tallent.

5/2/15 7:04pm

Seriously? 2 in 5 years when BYU's recruiting rankings are identical to

newey-west

5/2/15 7:22pm

2 years? That is not a really meaningfull statistic

5/2/15 7:42pm

2 players picked in 5 years. It's meaningful.

newey-west

5/2/15 7:45pm

Well, it may be a sales pitch

5/2/15 7:52pm

It's not just a one year thing.

newey-west

5/2/15 7:58pm

I actually won't have anything to do wtih BYU having a good season

5/2/15 9:31pm

You don't think that players playing better equates to more wins?

newey-west

5/2/15 9:39pm

No. I think the NFL sees talent whether the team is good or bad.

5/2/15 9:48pm

I didn't say that NFL scouts look to see how good a team is and then pick

newey-west

5/2/15 9:56pm

You just don't get it do you

checoug

5/3/15 1:57am

I get it. But you are putting the cart before the horse.

5/3/15 10:06am

Hit for the cycle.

newey-west

5/2/15 6:36pm

I love it when that happens.

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

5/2/15 9:02pm

Imo it's a recruiting problem

eyebleedblu

5/2/15 8:21pm

What if I told you that BYU's recruiting is on par with

newey-west

5/2/15 8:26pm

And it's not the level of the recruits so much as the type of recruits

Mantis Mutu

5/4/15 5:19am

I agree 100%. You definitely can't coach

eyebleedblu

5/4/15 4:55pm

Who knows.

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

5/2/15 9:01pm

Do you think that this will impact Freeze's ability to recruit?

newey-west

5/2/15 9:08pm

I'll admit it... It was a misleading stat.

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

5/2/15 9:20pm

Nutt and Bronco are very similar.

newey-west

5/2/15 9:24pm

I don't care at all how many BYU players are drafted. Wins is all that matters.

bluefish

5/2/15 11:35pm

Remember when BYU was placing players in the NFL few were serving missions

Cougarpride

5/2/15 11:36pm

At ANY point do you give Bronco credit for winning consistently and playing toug

cougarmikey

5/3/15 9:21am

How about coaching development. It's worse.

5/3/15 9:34am

Please enlighten me Polaris

5/3/15 10:31am

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CougDogg-e-Dogg

5/3/15 11:30am

Yeah it's pretty bad.

newey-west

5/3/15 1:40pm

RE: After watching the draft, I'm even more convinced that Bronco needs to get

Jjfla123

5/3/15 9:48am

BYU is in a totally unique category

BaYoU

5/3/15 12:23pm

BYU will never be Texas, Alabama, or even

newey-west

5/3/15 1:43pm

I'm not sure why Leslie is included in that list

BaYoU

5/3/15 3:43pm

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