Greg Oden is considered a bust but not because of his game.

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Apr 21, 2015
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Well, with the Neilson news, I've updated my Dave Rose big man signees chart

HawkCat

4/20/15 9:46pm

How can you count injury busts against him? Also, if you're counting Stephen

Epileptic Beagle

4/20/15 9:49pm

Hawkcat is an 0-fer in meaningful sports analysis.

TN_Coug

4/20/15 9:54pm

Ok, I'll be expecting your insightful analysis of the situation shortly then

HawkCat

4/20/15 11:00pm

What were Stephen's measurables?

HawkCat

4/20/15 10:34pm

lol so height alone = position? Do you watch basketball?

southernfriedcougar

4/20/15 10:51pm

Keena Young was 6'6. He was a "big." Rogers is not.

southernfriedcougar

4/20/15 10:53pm

6'8 and 20 lbs

Mr Bassman

4/20/15 11:00pm

He did descend from the Cummard line...

HawkCat

4/20/15 11:06pm

I was planning to type up a rebuttal this morning, but it looks like wisconsin

Epileptic Beagle

4/21/15 8:42am

Counting injuries as "busts" is mind-numbingly stupid.

benny1982

4/21/15 9:11am

Greg Oden is considered a bust but not because of his game.

jakespoon

4/21/15 11:34am

In this context, where Hawk is making an argument against Rose's ability

benny1982

4/21/15 11:44am

Sam Bowie was not considered a bust? injury = bust.

jakespoon

4/21/15 11:33am

Don't forget Walton

Seamore

4/21/15 3:22pm

What a horrible answer!

kimdaddy35

4/21/15 1:13pm

Hmmm. Listed as a forward.

HawkCat

4/21/15 10:16pm

you're really on a roll. Ever heard of a SF? Aka another wing?

southernfriedcougar

4/21/15 10:31pm

I hope you are trolling

kimdaddy35

4/22/15 1:30am

Maybe think about the term bust and then edit.

southernfriedcougar

4/20/15 9:52pm

Hawkcat and Worthington: You'll always have Tucanos

boiseman92

4/20/15 9:56pm

keena young played the 4 and was recruited by rose

tigerblue

4/20/15 9:57pm

Confounding data. Unless you can be 100% sure a player was identified

HawkCat

4/20/15 10:46pm

I'm 100% sure Keena Young came to BYU bc of Coach Rose

wisconsincougs

4/21/15 5:15am

Wasnt it because of Cleveland?

Gerald-DeGroot

4/21/15 9:15am

I know Pope was well liked, bit there was not a lot of improvement in the bigs

Thrill

4/20/15 9:58pm

I honestly don't get how some hold this opinion.

Mantis Mutu

4/20/15 10:54pm

Which guys showed significant improvement? Kaufusi did this year, and all the

Thrill

4/20/15 11:58pm

It had a LOT more than better conditioning involved with it. Andrus & Nielson

Mantis Mutu

4/21/15 3:25am

how did you feel about Noah hartsocks senior year

concolor couguar

4/21/15 10:07am

Sharp was 100% a B-U-S-T.

ag4cougs

4/20/15 10:01pm

Yeah, but he was only 25% big man.

Mantis Mutu

4/20/15 10:53pm

This is really a sad but true statistic - Also several misses on LDS kids

Jersey hunter

4/20/15 10:13pm

Justin Hamilton - isn't/wasn't LDS

bstod

4/20/15 10:25pm

please name his misses. lds bigs who were really good big men somewhere else.

GSwarriorcoug

4/21/15 1:08pm

asu bachinsky and Colette at usu

concolor couguar

4/21/15 1:20pm

I agree that we could have used Bachinsky, but he wasn't as great as peopl make

GSwarriorcoug

4/21/15 5:33pm

That's why you can't miss...because there are so few.

ag4cougs

4/21/15 10:07pm

<< Deleted >>

Mantis Mutu

4/20/15 10:46pm

Wait where is Plaisted?

CarolinaCoug

4/20/15 11:37pm

Cleveland recruit

HawkCat

4/20/15 11:48pm

Austin is NOT a bust.

ol' Blue Eyes

4/21/15 12:04am

And Luke Worthington absolutely is

coug203

4/21/15 12:06am

Not for lack of improvement. It's a lack of effectiveness. (IOWs lack of talent)

Mantis Mutu

4/21/15 3:26am

Borderline=debatable

HawkCat

4/21/15 12:17am

Somebody that guards bigs, brings down 8 Reb/game, a block, a steal, an assist

ol' Blue Eyes

4/21/15 7:37am

Austin is horrible at Defense. Horrible.

Gerald-DeGroot

4/21/15 9:23am

You're saying that Rose can't develop a big man

qom

4/21/15 12:41am

Or, based on the numbers, even regularly identify one.

HawkCat

4/21/15 12:45am

I thought Fernando was decent.

CougarBreath

4/21/15 2:25am

Austin finished top 2 or 3 in conference in rebounding - not a bust

BYUfan92

4/21/15 5:39am

"No offense whatsoever" .... false for Austin

Bob Vance

4/21/15 6:54am

I predict...

lbmango

4/21/15 7:22am

Here's another way to cut the data

wisconsincougs

4/21/15 7:28am

And that, my friends, is how you completely dismantle a dumb post

jdub

4/21/15 6:52pm

Lol. Dismantling post contends Rose is 5 for 16 instead of 4 for 16.

HawkCat

4/21/15 8:04pm

Was actually 9 for 12. Guess I should have spelled that out more clearly.

wisconsincougs

4/21/15 10:22pm

I didn't post a "role player" option. Just bust or success. You created that.

HawkCat

4/21/15 10:38pm

So wrong on Rogers and Austin.

Y'zFan

4/21/15 8:33am

Because Rogers isn't a big.

southernfriedcougar

4/21/15 10:49am

I think we may need to address the definition of a bust

gww687

4/21/15 9:25am

This post shows an absolute lack of understanding of how rare good bigs are and

PhilPete

4/21/15 10:11am

exactly, when asked for a list of really good lds bigs that rose missed on

GSwarriorcoug

4/21/15 5:57pm

So rare that even USU has produced more in the same time span.

HawkCat

4/21/15 9:03pm

Spencer nelson graduated the year before rose got the job

concolor couguar

4/21/15 9:18pm

Question isn't BEST big, it's how many.

HawkCat

4/21/15 9:23pm

actually the question I asked was who was best

concolor couguar

4/21/15 9:42pm

Lets take a look at those guys.

GSwarriorcoug

4/22/15 12:53am

What about Arujo, Plaisted, Burgess

LasVegasBlue

4/21/15 10:46am

Hoffa and Burgess played for Cleve. Plaisted signed w Cleve, played for Rose

wisconsincougs

4/21/15 11:07am

Again, I love how you expect Rose to have recruited and developed a big man

GSwarriorcoug

4/21/15 5:39pm

Where did I say that?

HawkCat

4/21/15 9:27pm

You keep citing that he has had 10 years to do it. Explain to me how you

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