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POLL: Does 'Offsides' ruin soccer?

BYUtka

9/30/16 7:18am

Soccer ruins soccer.

LeftOfNormal

9/30/16 7:19am

And you ruin yourself.....

JmThms

9/30/16 9:15am

You try to defend soccer by tearing down another sport.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 9:21am

only when fans of other sports take shots at soccer

JmThms

9/30/16 9:26am

Right. and I actually may like these other sports...

JmThms

9/30/16 9:29am

This was exactly what went through my mind when I saw the post haha!

LumberCoug

9/30/16 9:36am

baseball sucks

JmThms

9/30/16 11:27am

Probably the worst rule in sports besides "intent to deceive"

Revolution

9/30/16 7:26am

No, does it ruin football, hockey, rugby???

silentvelcro

9/30/16 7:32am

It would in hockey if the offsides line was based on defensive positioning

Busiturtle

9/30/16 7:37am

Very different.

BYUtka

9/30/16 7:56am

Offsides in Football and rugby aren't even close to comparable

CougarBacker

9/30/16 8:35am

Other than they are a rule of the game.....yep

silentvelcro

9/30/16 8:47am

So do you really want to debate this or are you just interested in debating wording?

CougarBacker

9/30/16 9:01am

What's to debate...apples aren't oranges. 2 different games.

silentvelcro

9/30/16 9:08am

So you admit that the offsides penalty in football isn't a good comparison to the offside penalty in soccer then?

CougarBacker

9/30/16 9:31am

They are rules of each game that limit both sides of ball. Doesn't ruin either

silentvelcro

9/30/16 9:38am

Um you do realize of course that if the offside penalty didn't exist in football, you

CougarBacker

9/30/16 9:46am

Wow....really. A discussion about cherry picking and you don't see a WR

silentvelcro

9/30/16 9:50am

You don't sound very smart and likely a waste of my time. You keep changing the point of the discussion..

CougarBacker

9/30/16 10:10am

Here's the analogy for football to soccer.

SpiffCoug

9/30/16 1:58pm

I understand the rules. And since there are plenty of people who enjoy soccer, I guess you

CougarBacker

9/30/16 2:56pm

The current implementation of offsides hurts the game

Busiturtle

9/30/16 7:35am

I like your analogy above about defensive positioning. I just don't understand

Bert609

9/30/16 7:45am

Your description makes me laugh. 😀

StalwartBraveTrue

9/30/16 9:52am

Fair enough. And I don't usually mind slow/low scoring games, I'd rather see

Bert609

9/30/16 10:44am

Purists say that without the rule defenses would have to be more conservative

Busiturtle

9/30/16 7:48am

They simply don't understand the game well enough to see that.

BYUtka

9/30/16 7:54am

Regardless of short or long play, it's timing.

silentvelcro

9/30/16 7:56am

All I see HS teams doing is the "lob session" strategy

Busiturtle

9/30/16 7:58am

Then learn skill...anyone can lob. That's the point!

silentvelcro

9/30/16 7:59am

Based on the lack of scoring I see with the pros

Busiturtle

9/30/16 8:03am

This basic strategy is the backbone of all HS sports. Basketball, Football, etc.

Nathanael Greene

9/30/16 8:03am

I bet purists thought the same about the forward pass in football.

BYUtka

9/30/16 8:03am

The difference between football and soccer is that when you get tackled in

rggee

9/30/16 8:17am

You are correct, soccer's problems are not fixable

wapiti

9/30/16 8:31am

Not really anyone thinks that soccer has problems,

RSLCoug

9/30/16 8:49am

I like RSLCoug, but.......

JmThms

9/30/16 9:25am

Problems I think need to be fixed:

RSLCoug

9/30/16 9:33am

At one point FIFA talked about a white card for these instances

silentvelcro

9/30/16 9:42am

Interesting, and I may not be opposed to it.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 9:43am

My problem fixes are much deeper......

JmThms

9/30/16 11:25am

They already have this. It's called arena soccer... check it out

hadmonster

9/30/16 1:52pm

I've played and watched INDOOR soccer for 30 years.

JmThms

9/30/16 2:10pm

Soccer's problems are VERY fixable. But FIFA won't fix it.

JmThms

9/30/16 9:19am

There's nothing stopping soccer teams from playing that way now

boyblue

9/30/16 9:30am

Many already do. It doesn't make for more offensive chances.

Nathanael Greene

9/30/16 9:45am

Then this reason shouldn't be used as a reason to keep offside

boyblue

9/30/16 10:29am

Why? Everyone hates when teams play this way.

Nathanael Greene

9/30/16 10:52am

Because the rule doesn't actually stop it.

boyblue

10/2/16 10:43am

THIS!! I can see some sort of rule but it's current implementation ruins the

SoutheastIdaCoug

9/30/16 9:33am

I don't mind offsides, but it shouldn't be called once the ball proceeds legally

BigD Coug

9/30/16 7:42am

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cvd6262

9/30/16 8:34am

Most sports could be improved by being more like hockey.

douglasturtle

9/30/16 9:52am

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cvd6262

9/30/16 10:01am

I can't see the puck and the armored goalie covers the entire goal mouth....

JmThms

9/30/16 2:16pm

this guy gets it

Thundergun Express

9/30/16 10:20am

yes! but 7 field players on a shorter field

JmThms

9/30/16 2:22pm

Not to be picky ,but it's offside. Offsides is football

scottm

9/30/16 7:46am

^purist.

Bert609

9/30/16 7:53am

Pretty sure it's "offside" in both games, actually.

rggee

9/30/16 7:54am

I think that refs do being overly cautious in calling it.

Thrill

9/30/16 7:58am

Last night was a prime example of it killing the game over and over.

BYUtka

9/30/16 8:08am

No. I wouldn't mind if they changed it so that:

RSLCoug

9/30/16 8:56am

No. Without offsides, the game devolves to defenders playing further back to

chilango

9/30/16 8:01am

Defenders playing further back opens more space for the offense to attack

Busiturtle

9/30/16 8:04am

You sound like you base this off HS, college, and MLS.

silentvelcro

9/30/16 8:09am

But if leaving defenders back really is a better defense, why not do it now

boyblue

9/30/16 9:35am

A high defense adds to the attack allowing quick back pass to reset / flip field

silentvelcro

9/30/16 10:31am

This is not what happened when this was tested previously.

chilango

9/30/16 8:10am

Ok, but not score.

rggee

9/30/16 8:14am

No it doesn't. It is the exact opposite. Sheesh.

YSMACK

9/30/16 8:21am

It would open space in the MIDFIELD.

Wadds

9/30/16 2:22pm

No, referees calling offsides ruins soccer

TheDeek

9/30/16 8:24am

They really need 2 refs on the field.

SportsRoad

9/30/16 9:04am

Usually they have 3 or 4. The Referee and two ARs. The ARs are typically the

Big Wally D

9/30/16 9:10am

i know, i just mean in general, not for offside.

SportsRoad

9/30/16 9:41am

Gotcha. Most soccer referees I know do not favor a two Referee system.

Big Wally D

9/30/16 9:56am

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cvd6262

9/30/16 10:05am

Maybe. In soccer two referees has been tried at various stages especially in

Big Wally D

9/30/16 10:12am

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cvd6262

9/30/16 10:53am

Oh good, another one of these. It had been a while.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 8:41am

"We should play 12 strike kick ball!"

silentvelcro

9/30/16 8:43am

Here's the best solution.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 8:55am

Based on many peoples comments I think they are expecting a participation medal

silentvelcro

9/30/16 9:09am

For me, soccer's flaws are not fatal even though they are substantial

JmThms

9/30/16 9:32am

That's like asking if "alcohol kills vodka" or if "cold kills ice cream"

StalwartBraveTrue

9/30/16 9:45am

RE: That's like asking if "alcohol kills vodka" or if "cold kills ice cream"

RSLCoug

9/30/16 10:00am

Yes

jazzfan12000

9/30/16 10:10am

Imagine in basketball

RSLCoug

9/30/16 10:11am

Just another reason soccer sucks. If you choose to keep 4 guys back than that's on you.

CougarBacker

9/30/16 10:17am

You didn't understand my analogy.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 11:28am

What I'm saying is that this isn't true in basketball. You can keep 4 guys back all game long in basketball

CougarBacker

9/30/16 12:15pm

A more appropriate analogy to basketball would be allowing goaltending.

rggee

9/30/16 12:20pm

How would you goal tend soccer? Let everyone use their hands?

CougarBacker

9/30/16 2:57pm

Of course it isn't true in basketball.

RSLCoug

9/30/16 12:22pm

Im not a big soccer guy but I believe you. How about widening the net?

CougarBacker

9/30/16 2:59pm

Let's pull back the drapes a little bit. Why do you hate soccer so much?

byuTX

9/30/16 12:33pm

I don't.

BYUtka

9/30/16 12:34pm

No one who actually watches soccer would suggest this.

Francisco d'Anconia

10/1/16 12:58am

That is because anyone smart enough to understand gets annoyed trying to watch

BYUtka

10/2/16 10:53am

The defense HAS to sit back because cherrypicking. I've played soccer leagues

Francisco d'Anconia

10/2/16 3:31pm

Sounds like it was a much more entertaing game.

BYUtka

10/2/16 3:34pm

I hate the "trap"

Cougarpride

10/1/16 5:02pm

Anyone who has ever played a defensive position on a soccer team has a love-hate

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