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Oct 26, 2016
11:22:18am

DapperDan All-American

Shocking I know

Probably the biggest surprise is that I have a side of me that isn't cynical.

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BYU just released the results of their Sexual Assault Advisory Committee study

kccougar All-American

10/26/16 9:45am

Nice job BYU.

Hoax

10/26/16 9:48am

We have a great school. Glad to see the immediate changes.

whirl

10/26/16 9:50am

Wow.

SilasCrutherton

10/26/16 9:50am

RE: Wow.

Opietheman

10/26/16 10:06am

My sources are telling me this came out a few weeks ago

HOTTAKES

10/26/16 9:51am

Link?

NacoCoug

10/26/16 9:52am

It was an email, at least I got it in an email

Dissenter

10/26/16 12:28pm

As critical as I've been of the HC, I need to voice my support in equal measure

Linescratcher

10/26/16 9:53am

agree with linescrather completely

run26

10/26/16 10:34am

I whOle heartily sgree..Now if o KY the restof the hcould be reviewed & revised

CarolinaCoug

10/26/16 12:16pm

The amnesty (draft) actually extends much further than I expected it to. This is a good step

BlueBlood

10/26/16 9:53am

I think they did a good job on the report.

LaserCoug

10/26/16 9:54am

That sounds really great on the surface and I'm very happy that BYU is

DapperDan

10/26/16 9:55am

I think that line item of Pres Worthen's summary wasn't worded well

kccougar

10/26/16 10:02am

I'd be happy to discover that it was a mistaken summary

DapperDan

10/26/16 10:04am

This seems to be the relevant language of the report...

kccougar

10/26/16 10:05am

That was the part of the report I saw as well

Linescratcher

10/26/16 10:19am

That honestly makes me wonder how they came up with that summary. They don't

DapperDan

10/26/16 11:18am

After reading through the report's recommendations the nuts and bolts of the

DapperDan

10/26/16 12:11pm

Completely agree.

Linescratcher

10/26/16 12:17pm

Agreed. The HC should never have any info given to them from Title IX imo. Just

Windward_Coug

10/26/16 10:02am

If I remember correctly, Title IX requires investigation and punishment of perps by the university. You don't think

jaromp

10/26/16 10:29am

No, send that info to byu police. The HC has shown they will misuse whatever

Windward_Coug

10/26/16 10:32am

I would argue that the BYU police have been much worse. Isn't the Provo PD currently investigating why BYU police

jaromp

10/26/16 10:38am

Better than dragging in victims of sexual assault to a HC disciplinary council.

Windward_Coug

10/26/16 10:47am

What? it would only be to discipline the perpetrator, and it specifically states that victim info will be redacted

jaromp

10/26/16 10:50am

Just saying that's what they used to do. They aren't to be trusted with any

Windward_Coug

10/26/16 10:56am

They will absolutely notify police, but the Provo PD doesn't suspend students from school or take disciplinary action

jaromp

10/26/16 11:04am

Every other school on the planet manages to suspend and expel students without

Windward_Coug

10/26/16 11:44am

Title IX office does its own investigations, not HCO

Linescratcher

10/26/16 10:37am

Wait. You are telling me you have a cynical side?

TN_Coug

10/26/16 10:09am

Shocking I know

DapperDan

10/26/16 11:22am

Here is the legit situation for the Title IX office to report to the Honor Code:

CDV

10/26/16 10:54am

You are missing the investigation

10/26/16 11:16am

How do other schools handle this? Do Title IX offices have the authority to

DapperDan

10/26/16 11:21am

Yes, but its murky

Linescratcher

10/26/16 11:26am

Thanks. I know there are no clear cut answers, but I think I'd prefer if the

DapperDan

10/26/16 11:41am

I don't think so. The final word on student discipline would be given by the School

kccougar

10/26/16 11:32am

The fact that these weren't already in place shows how awful the honor code was implemented. They really shared office

Kajdin

10/26/16 9:57am

Duh! That's what it said. They stepped up and implemented necessary change

Coach's Dad

10/26/16 10:26am

I'm glad they released this AFTER the Big12 announement

Indy Coug

10/26/16 10:00am

Me too.

rerunc

10/26/16 10:51am

RE: BYU just released the results of their Sexual Assault Advisory Committee

Opietheman

10/26/16 10:01am

Grateful for their attention to this.

Florwood

10/26/16 10:05am

But will the media give this any attention? Seems doubtful since

JKLCoug

10/26/16 10:07am

Tribune will report with a three-sentence summary of the changes and a two-page rehash

kccougar

10/26/16 10:10am

They covered the Mormonandgay site in a positive light.

Baron

10/26/16 10:10am

Here's what their Twitter feed said about it:

JKLCoug

10/26/16 1:40pm

Good results. How about they just replace the HC office with Title IX staff?

cougarnerd

10/26/16 10:06am

I'd be good with that. Seems like they were basically the same staff before these changes. Just overhaul the staff

Kajdin

10/26/16 10:11am

Because they have different purposes and do different things.

Coach's Dad

10/26/16 10:27am

Make the HCO part time...

Mike Ross

10/26/16 10:33am

This also debunks the idea that BYU won't change when it's reasonable

Harrison0Yfan

10/26/16 10:17am

well that's debatable

run26

10/26/16 10:35am

I actually had those in mind when I said "it helps set the precedent for other

Harrison0Yfan

10/26/16 10:41am

Can whoever wrote this also write for the athletic department?

El Paso Coug

10/26/16 10:42am

It's President Worthen. He's a lawyer. All lawyers right good.

Supercoug

10/26/16 10:45am

SuperCoug is clearly NOT a lawyer.

ugo1st

10/26/16 11:10am

ahem...(hangs head in shame)

nashty

10/26/16 12:27pm

Write well

Tsisquan

10/26/16 8:51pm

Now waiting for the gay committee to make their changes. #Big12

Supercoug

10/26/16 10:44am

Sounds very positive. One question: any idea if further changes to come...

byujdmba

10/26/16 11:07am

To be certain - with this new policy we are now, without question, the school with the best policies in place regarding

HarlemCoug

10/26/16 11:40am

RE: To be certain - with this new policy we are now, without question, the

Opietheman

10/26/16 12:00pm

One concern. . . .

protonspring

10/26/16 12:43pm

Do you really think so lowly of people?

Dissenter

10/26/16 12:50pm

You are right.

protonspring

10/26/16 3:01pm

You're assuming a pretty immoral, cynical approach by students.

jkccoug

10/26/16 12:51pm

I hope you are right.

protonspring

10/26/16 3:02pm

RE: One concern. . . .

Opietheman

10/26/16 1:09pm

The issue is still there, but yeah. . . I agree that it's a good compromise.

protonspring

10/26/16 3:04pm

This worries me too. False accusations could go up

StrongBad

10/26/16 3:29pm

having first hand experience with this scenario

10/26/16 3:41pm

one of the new incentives however is that it's now much riskier to have consensual sex. guys should be even more

HarlemCoug

10/26/16 8:04pm

They did the right thing & I couldn't be more pleased. It's a good day for BYU.

jkccoug

10/26/16 12:47pm

I predict the number of sexual assault reports goes way up.

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