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Oct 26, 2016
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jkccoug
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You're assuming a pretty immoral, cynical approach by students.
There will be some who take advantage, certainly, but by and large I would hope we can count on our students not to falsely accuse one another of felonies.
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BYU just released the results of their Sexual Assault Advisory Committee study
kccougar
All-American
10/26/16 9:45am
Nice job BYU.
Hoax
10/26/16 9:48am
We have a great school. Glad to see the immediate changes.
whirl
10/26/16 9:50am
Wow.
SilasCrutherton
10/26/16 9:50am
RE: Wow.
Opietheman
10/26/16 10:06am
My sources are telling me this came out a few weeks ago
HOTTAKES
10/26/16 9:51am
Link?
NacoCoug
10/26/16 9:52am
It was an email, at least I got it in an email
Dissenter
10/26/16 12:28pm
As critical as I've been of the HC, I need to voice my support in equal measure
Linescratcher
10/26/16 9:53am
agree with linescrather completely
run26
10/26/16 10:34am
I whOle heartily sgree..Now if o KY the restof the hcould be reviewed & revised
CarolinaCoug
10/26/16 12:16pm
The amnesty (draft) actually extends much further than I expected it to. This is a good step
BlueBlood
10/26/16 9:53am
I think they did a good job on the report.
LaserCoug
10/26/16 9:54am
That sounds really great on the surface and I'm very happy that BYU is
DapperDan
10/26/16 9:55am
I think that line item of Pres Worthen's summary wasn't worded well
kccougar
10/26/16 10:02am
I'd be happy to discover that it was a mistaken summary
DapperDan
10/26/16 10:04am
This seems to be the relevant language of the report...
kccougar
10/26/16 10:05am
That was the part of the report I saw as well
Linescratcher
10/26/16 10:19am
That honestly makes me wonder how they came up with that summary. They don't
DapperDan
10/26/16 11:18am
After reading through the report's recommendations the nuts and bolts of the
DapperDan
10/26/16 12:11pm
Completely agree.
Linescratcher
10/26/16 12:17pm
Agreed. The HC should never have any info given to them from Title IX imo. Just
Windward_Coug
10/26/16 10:02am
If I remember correctly, Title IX requires investigation and punishment of perps by the university. You don't think
jaromp
10/26/16 10:29am
No, send that info to byu police. The HC has shown they will misuse whatever
Windward_Coug
10/26/16 10:32am
I would argue that the BYU police have been much worse. Isn't the Provo PD currently investigating why BYU police
jaromp
10/26/16 10:38am
Better than dragging in victims of sexual assault to a HC disciplinary council.
Windward_Coug
10/26/16 10:47am
What? it would only be to discipline the perpetrator, and it specifically states that victim info will be redacted
jaromp
10/26/16 10:50am
Just saying that's what they used to do. They aren't to be trusted with any
Windward_Coug
10/26/16 10:56am
They will absolutely notify police, but the Provo PD doesn't suspend students from school or take disciplinary action
jaromp
10/26/16 11:04am
Every other school on the planet manages to suspend and expel students without
Windward_Coug
10/26/16 11:44am
Title IX office does its own investigations, not HCO
Linescratcher
10/26/16 10:37am
Wait. You are telling me you have a cynical side?
TN_Coug
10/26/16 10:09am
Shocking I know
DapperDan
10/26/16 11:22am
Here is the legit situation for the Title IX office to report to the Honor Code:
CDV
10/26/16 10:54am
You are missing the investigation
g$
10/26/16 11:16am
How do other schools handle this? Do Title IX offices have the authority to
DapperDan
10/26/16 11:21am
Yes, but its murky
Linescratcher
10/26/16 11:26am
Thanks. I know there are no clear cut answers, but I think I'd prefer if the
DapperDan
10/26/16 11:41am
I don't think so. The final word on student discipline would be given by the School
kccougar
10/26/16 11:32am
The fact that these weren't already in place shows how awful the honor code was implemented. They really shared office
Kajdin
10/26/16 9:57am
Duh! That's what it said. They stepped up and implemented necessary change
Coach's Dad
10/26/16 10:26am
I'm glad they released this AFTER the Big12 announement
Indy Coug
10/26/16 10:00am
Me too.
rerunc
10/26/16 10:51am
RE: BYU just released the results of their Sexual Assault Advisory Committee
Opietheman
10/26/16 10:01am
Grateful for their attention to this.
Florwood
10/26/16 10:05am
But will the media give this any attention? Seems doubtful since
JKLCoug
10/26/16 10:07am
Tribune will report with a three-sentence summary of the changes and a two-page rehash
kccougar
10/26/16 10:10am
They covered the Mormonandgay site in a positive light.
Baron
10/26/16 10:10am
Here's what their Twitter feed said about it:
JKLCoug
10/26/16 1:40pm
Good results. How about they just replace the HC office with Title IX staff?
cougarnerd
10/26/16 10:06am
I'd be good with that. Seems like they were basically the same staff before these changes. Just overhaul the staff
Kajdin
10/26/16 10:11am
Because they have different purposes and do different things.
Coach's Dad
10/26/16 10:27am
Make the HCO part time...
Mike Ross
10/26/16 10:33am
This also debunks the idea that BYU won't change when it's reasonable
Harrison0Yfan
10/26/16 10:17am
well that's debatable
run26
10/26/16 10:35am
I actually had those in mind when I said "it helps set the precedent for other
Harrison0Yfan
10/26/16 10:41am
Can whoever wrote this also write for the athletic department?
El Paso Coug
10/26/16 10:42am
It's President Worthen. He's a lawyer. All lawyers right good.
Supercoug
10/26/16 10:45am
SuperCoug is clearly NOT a lawyer.
ugo1st
10/26/16 11:10am
ahem...(hangs head in shame)
nashty
10/26/16 12:27pm
Write well
Tsisquan
10/26/16 8:51pm
Now waiting for the gay committee to make their changes. #Big12
Supercoug
10/26/16 10:44am
Sounds very positive. One question: any idea if further changes to come...
byujdmba
10/26/16 11:07am
To be certain - with this new policy we are now, without question, the school with the best policies in place regarding
HarlemCoug
10/26/16 11:40am
RE: To be certain - with this new policy we are now, without question, the
Opietheman
10/26/16 12:00pm
One concern. . . .
protonspring
10/26/16 12:43pm
Do you really think so lowly of people?
Dissenter
10/26/16 12:50pm
You are right.
protonspring
10/26/16 3:01pm
You're assuming a pretty immoral, cynical approach by students.
jkccoug
10/26/16 12:51pm
I hope you are right.
protonspring
10/26/16 3:02pm
RE: One concern. . . .
Opietheman
10/26/16 1:09pm
The issue is still there, but yeah. . . I agree that it's a good compromise.
protonspring
10/26/16 3:04pm
This worries me too. False accusations could go up
StrongBad
10/26/16 3:29pm
having first hand experience with this scenario
g$
10/26/16 3:41pm
one of the new incentives however is that it's now much riskier to have consensual sex. guys should be even more
HarlemCoug
10/26/16 8:04pm
They did the right thing & I couldn't be more pleased. It's a good day for BYU.
jkccoug
10/26/16 12:47pm
I predict the number of sexual assault reports goes way up.
Tsisquan
10/26/16 8:59pm
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