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What about defense?

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BYU resurgence! the case for optimism and an improved season. Part II

roseyscenario

9/21/17 9:15am

#DietCokeNumbsUs

TheWanderer

9/21/17 9:17am

What are these "summer games" you are referring to?

Indy Coug

9/21/17 9:18am

Pick-up games/scrimmages in annex/mc

thebruce

9/21/17 9:33am

I think he's mostly referring to scrimmages when it comes to stats tho

thebruce

9/21/17 9:36am

I saw Luke Worthington last week and he's much thinner than his freshman year

Indy Coug

9/21/17 9:19am

I'm sure his instagram page on hair products is still thick as ever

Y4LYFE

9/21/17 8:37pm

I expect Cougs to finish distant third in WCC.

PhilPete

9/21/17 9:21am

No Nick Emery?

cougsrule

9/21/17 9:22am

I am saddened by this omission...

teancum

9/21/17 1:45pm

Except that it is a mistaken comment. People need a word search.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 1:53pm

Guess I meant that I was sad Nick hasn't been lighting it up this summer.

teancum

9/21/17 2:00pm

Nick is very valuable; good on offense and perhaps BYU's best defender.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 2:25pm

"the most effective 5 on the court could be Haws, Childs, Bryant, Emery, Seljaas

jreid191

9/21/17 1:54pm

Do we have the numbers to play Small?

chodilicus

9/21/17 6:37pm

Sorry, wrong spot

chodilicus

9/21/17 6:39pm

Any thoughts on Heath Schroyer?

TheWanderer

9/21/17 9:26am

Consensus is he is good and seems to be lead assistant.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 10:16am

Excellent update. However, the mediocre schedule falsely enhances expectations.

MichCoug

9/21/17 9:35am

What can we expect out of Dastrup, the player with the most big time offers?

Hinta

9/21/17 9:59am

Payton is highly skilled and could be key if he puts it all together. Not yet.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 10:08am

I think Dastrup could be a big key to this season.

Oldcougfan

9/21/17 11:33am

We really need the starter at the 5 to be Dastrup over Luke

beauso79

9/22/17 10:36am

Yes we very much need Dastrup to put it together. Would make very big difference

roseyscenario

9/22/17 12:44pm

I thought Andrus was serviceable as a freshman. Just needed some more weight

beauso79

9/22/17 1:06pm

Believe Andrus did gain a fair bit of weight on his mission & the pictures I've seen & on BYUSN, he looked it.

soupie

9/22/17 1:27pm

I love your posts and insight... But I must still temper my expectations.

rerunc

9/21/17 10:27am

As he advised

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 11:50am

you must have already had the caffeine

vabeachcoug

9/21/17 10:41am

Luke Worthington = James Anderson part 2

StraightOuttaOrem

9/21/17 11:06am

No offense to Luke intended

coug16

9/21/17 11:22am

Oh wow... I think Luke is terrible but I consider Anderson one of the all time

StraightOuttaOrem

9/21/17 11:26am

Worthington is terrible

sunny25

9/21/17 1:00pm

Cute, but not really. Luke's more fluid & has a much higher Bball IQ.

mantis mutu

9/21/17 2:30pm

I hope Luke W has improved. There were many times I wondered how he ever got

BYU I Bleed Blue

9/21/17 11:17am

Yeah hopefully he got sent of one of the missions people say make you better at

JuicyJam

9/21/17 1:21pm

So what you are really saying is that this team has NIT Final 4 potential?

Turnpike Lane

9/21/17 12:03pm

Thanks for the update. Ill defined leaderships roles hurt the team last year

Coogar2

9/21/17 12:20pm

... again, not even a mention of Emery???

BoiseBlueCoug

9/21/17 12:54pm

Emery was mentioned as a major player.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 1:27pm

And starter.

soupie

9/21/17 1:47pm

Always appreciate the update but

gurt

9/21/17 1:20pm

And i always appreciate your replies, which disagree without being disagreeable.

roseyscenario

9/24/17 12:04am

Thank you

gurt

9/24/17 4:39am

Please more PnR! It truly baffles me how little they use it, especially last

JuicyJam

9/21/17 1:23pm

Nice write up. Thanks

Real Men Wear Blue

9/21/17 1:52pm

Can you comment on how the other new guys are looking? Bergersen and Brown?

Epileptic Beagle

9/21/17 2:18pm

curious how Kajon Brown has looked in pre-season?

icecougar

9/21/17 2:52pm

No problem with optimism, but

Archaea

9/21/17 2:58pm

#12 it's been a long time since we valued every possession...

icecougar

9/21/17 3:11pm

A lack of a true 5 player is my biggest fear... We may be fine to skirt around the WCC w/ Luke as our guy, but we will

crm48

9/21/17 3:16pm

If Jacob Larsen is not ready, the Zags will not have a center next year. That

BYUheaven

9/21/17 3:19pm

Isn't Tillie still there?

LifeLongLakerFan

9/22/17 8:09am

Yes but Tillie is not a true center who likes to bang in the paint. Right now

BYUheaven

9/22/17 8:31am

Guard play should be great, but we are two quality bigs away from a solid team.

CopperLix

9/21/17 4:00pm

What is your definition of solid? Ncaa team?

thebruce

9/21/17 4:03pm

Sure, a solid team should get at least one tournament win.

CopperLix

9/21/17 4:05pm

One big. With Mika we hit this objective.

BostonCougar

9/21/17 4:18pm

So basically a top 32 team...

thebruce

9/21/17 7:02pm

Uhh, if we are banking on 3s from Child's, we are in trouble

zerome4sooners

9/21/17 5:18pm

Why

Epileptic Beagle

9/21/17 5:56pm

Because I don't think he'll make a high % in games

zerome4sooners

9/22/17 5:50am

Bigs shooting 3s is what makes BYU basketball so terrible.

ColdFusion1989

9/22/17 6:06am

Who is the last big to host lots of 3's at a low %?

wisconsincougs

9/22/17 6:42am

Hafa

teancum

9/22/17 10:25am

IMHO ever since Hartsock we have struggled in post play because they all want to

ColdFusion1989

9/22/17 2:06pm

Got to say I disagree with this. Since Rice left after Hartsock's junior year

BYUheaven

9/22/17 3:31pm

In general, they are settling for jumpers and avoiding contact.

ColdFusion1989

9/22/17 4:39pm

I'm not even concerned as much about percentage as I am the mentality.

ColdFusion1989

9/22/17 2:11pm

Wat?

Ash

9/23/17 6:44am

AT MOST we should hope for a 1 game NIT appearance (home or away)

Y4LYFE

9/21/17 5:53pm

I hope for more than that, but I do understand the difficulty.

RebelScum

9/22/17 10:39pm

Roster construction - no small ball

chodilicus

9/21/17 6:38pm

Yeah, they would like to play Yo at PF beside a true center. Not philosophy

roseyscenario

9/21/17 7:14pm

It's a shame that hartsock didn't pan out.

thebruce

9/21/17 7:46pm

Started one game. Pacific home loss. Huge upset!

MichCoug

9/21/17 8:01pm

This is a great point.

ArchbishopMitty

9/21/17 11:10pm

Fantastic points.

thebruce

9/21/17 11:32pm

"play fast regardless of success"... sounds fun to watch!

Hill4Heisman

9/21/17 7:13pm

Here ye here ye: i expect Nick to be an important player this year

roseyscenario

9/21/17 7:22pm

Seems like this would be something to include on the original post...

22jrob22

9/21/17 7:37pm

OP was about change.

roseyscenario

9/21/17 7:49pm

Oh I know. Just joking about all the questions. Appreciate the info!

22jrob22

9/21/17 9:07pm

RE: BYU resurgence! the case for optimism and an improved season. Part II

Ash

9/21/17 7:40pm

Nice update......#8 would be a tough pill to swallow

beauso79

9/21/17 8:08pm

With no inside out game, the threes will continue to come in transition and from

QBarrister

9/21/17 8:44pm

Penetration is a lot easier when you don't have your bigs in the post.

thebruce

9/21/17 8:58pm

Are you talking about our offense or defense?

BYU'01

9/21/17 9:07pm

Offense. Defensively a there will be issues

thebruce

9/21/17 9:20pm

He is talking about our offense. Last year both childs and mika camped out in

BYUheaven

9/21/17 9:21pm

You should. But for some reason BYU seems to refuse to use PnR. Which is

JuicyJam

9/22/17 5:56am

Let's hope last year was a wake up call in that regard.

thebruce

9/24/17 7:51am

NIT

BDAWG

9/22/17 12:13am

Yet here we are with the same unanswered questions as always.

Ash

9/22/17 7:22am

Points 11 and 12 don't jive with me. Play fast transition no matter the success?

Ash

9/22/17 7:26am

I think what Rosey was trying to convey is that BYU wants to slow it down and

BYUheaven

9/22/17 7:40am

They are aware, but can they coach the defects away? Bingo. Agreed.

Ash

9/22/17 9:20am

The threat is always more terrible than the execution. BYU can run and execute

roseyscenario

9/24/17 9:26am

I don't understand why you care so much about our defensive rebounding stats

Ash

9/24/17 1:21pm

But defensive rebounds are a signal that there was a stop. You

soupie

9/24/17 2:41pm

All it signals, having watched every game for several years, is that BYU plays

Ash

9/24/17 6:30pm

Not correct. Your observations fly in face of analytics which show BYU opponent

roseyscenario

9/24/17 6:55pm

The ultimate point is this stat means so little because you have to consider

Ash

9/24/17 7:20pm

BYU was 62nd in FG% defense (42%) and 51st in 3pt FG% defense (33%)

Indy Coug

9/24/17 7:37pm

Yet opponents missed enough to enable BYU to lead nation in defensive rebounds.

roseyscenario

9/24/17 7:40pm

The alternative is opponents get offensive rebounds

roseyscenario

9/24/17 3:27pm

Great post! After listing 4 problems, I was hoping to hear #3 & #4 addressed.

j20

9/22/17 7:46am

Fair point. Didn't cover everything. Consensus is Hardnett a superb defender.

roseyscenario

9/22/17 7:53am

Ah yes, stressing to value every possession should help #3.

j20

9/22/17 8:01am

And it's a smart way to address it, rather than label players as selfish.

roseyscenario

9/22/17 8:33am

Quick pace does not necessarily mean a quick shot

Thrill

9/22/17 9:14am

Rosey, great post and excellent, accurate points on the team

gww687

9/22/17 9:17am

What about defense?

BNcoug

9/22/17 9:35am

You are the engineer of the hype train when it comes to BYU basketball.

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