What is this big picture you are thinking of?

Sep 25, 2017
3:05:42pm

WJCougar All-American

Are you talking access to the playoffs? Making the top 4?

Well, that is not happening right now and if this year is any indication it will not happen anytime soon. Yet teams like Boise St. and Houston have a much greater chance at a NY6 bowl.

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G5 isn't sustainable. The p5 gap will increase 2 fold-So stop with this nonsense

TheFed

9/25/17 2:57pm

So.....it's all over. BYU is done? Because they are not getting invited....

WJCougar

9/25/17 2:59pm

This notion that independence is less sustainable than G5 is nonsense

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:03pm

It is not looking very sustainable right now.

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:06pm

What does that even mean to you?

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:08pm

It's a phrase seen on CB so it gets regurgitated without meaning.

Lip Gallagher

9/25/17 3:42pm

Of course it has meaning...and people are right when they say it.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:13pm

Tom Holmoe isn't a CBer

Polecat

9/25/17 5:35pm

It means BYU is going nowhere with Independence.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:13pm

Yes I do. The schedules are getting better, we make more money, we have more exposure, and we are getting a different

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 4:22pm

I would love to agree with you....but nothing in the past 7 years has shown....

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:29pm

You need to go look at the schedules for the next 4 years. It is getting better.

Lance71

9/25/17 4:31pm

The schedules aren’t where they need to be but look in the near future

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 4:41pm

We wouldn't win the conf this yr. Do you think 4th in MWC/AAC would be better?

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 4:29pm

It would be the same this year whether or not BYU was AAC or Independent.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:30pm

Maybe but most people won t pay attention to how good we are compared to AAC

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 8:23pm

It's obvious many people on here are not smart about economic realities.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 2:59pm

I don't know what will happen. All I know is with Indy there is too much

cougschwa

9/25/17 3:04pm

No there isnt. The pressure needs to be on being ranked at years end

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:06pm

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sgriff

9/25/17 3:00pm

BYU is G5... independence didn't change that

Coug

9/25/17 3:01pm

It actually did change their revenue model significantly.

boogers

9/25/17 3:02pm

Boise State has a similar financial situation with the MWC...

Coug

9/25/17 3:03pm

If by "similar" you mean "substantially inferior" then yes.

mik3

9/25/17 3:08pm

It did. For 2015 (last year data available),

Everyman

9/25/17 3:13pm

Yeah it did. See G5 slot for NY6. BYU is not G5.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:02pm

So, BYU is in a worse position since their chance of NY6 is so small?

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:03pm

Depends on what your overall view of the big picture for BYU is

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:04pm

What is this big picture you are thinking of?

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:05pm

It wasn't happening in the MWC either. And never will for any MWC team.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:08pm

Wait... What? We have as much of a chance to make the playoffs...

Coug

9/25/17 3:07pm

Way better than G5 due to SOS. They will not make it. See TCU/Baylor.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:10pm

Our SOS has only slightly changed...

Coug

9/25/17 3:20pm

Most AAC teams had a harder SOS than BYU last year. So did Utah State. It will

Scratch

9/25/17 3:41pm

Scratch

9/25/17 3:40pm

BYU is not G5. That is a fact.

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 3:03pm

Haha, we are... we just don't belong to a G5 conference...

Coug

9/25/17 3:05pm

We're less than G5. G5 has an auto tie-in to post-season. BYU doesn't have that.

foofcoug

9/25/17 3:06pm

Two things. First, belonging to a G5 conference is the very definition of "G5." Second, by any measure you want to use,

CalGTR

9/25/17 5:11pm

So we make more money and have more fans...

Coug

9/25/17 5:22pm

Nor are they P5....which is fact.

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:06pm

BYU is not P5. People that say BYU is P5 are denying the facts, same as those that say BYU is G5. Neither is true.

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 3:54pm

So, BYU is nothing?

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:14pm

RE: So, BYU is nothing?

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 7:38pm

Until BYU gets into a conference and become relevant again like Houston, SDST,

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:30pm

I don't see many, if any, claiming that we're P5. We all know we don't belong to a P5 conference.

CalGTR

9/25/17 5:13pm

Remind me. What p5 league are we in?

Backcountry

9/25/17 9:02pm

It significantly changed that. BYU is not G5.

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:03pm

How?

Coug

9/25/17 3:09pm

“BYU is not G5”

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:14pm

Correct, BYU is Indy. Indy is Umass, Army, and BYU.

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:37pm

Correct

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 9:05pm

By definition BYU isn't P5 or G5 as we're not a member of either conference type

BYU Fan

9/25/17 3:04pm

Which of these programs has finished the season ranked in the last 5 years?

boscatar

9/25/17 3:03pm

Aaand, being part of the MWC would have changed that somehow?

boogers

9/25/17 3:03pm

Of course it would. It's still not worth it for me but

cougfanz

9/25/17 3:06pm

This is the harsh reality of the situation

kolob32

9/25/17 3:29pm

Some of our best BYU teams - 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009 - had pretty weak schedules

boscatar

9/25/17 3:29pm

Absolutely. (though, I prefer expanded AAC over MWC).

boscatar

9/25/17 3:15pm

Ouch, are you kidding, San Jose State?

insidebyu

9/25/17 6:43pm

We lost to SJSU that season... I think it was 2012 or 2013.

Coug

9/25/17 7:30pm

Yup. 2012. SJSU went 11-2. That was the year they beat us 20-14 in San Jose...

boscatar

9/26/17 2:16pm

G5 and indy are both unsustainable so I guess we're just screwed.

sgriff

9/25/17 3:09pm

BYU has been in the black every year of independence. That seems sustainable.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:14pm

Sorry to break it to you but the gap between Indy vs. P5 is same as G5 vs. P5

kolob32

9/25/17 3:20pm

The reality of independence income for BYU does not support that conclusion.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:33pm

Really? You realize BYU has better finances than every other G5 right? 100% of them.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:35pm

So BYU was losing money when it was part of MWC?

kolob32

9/25/17 3:38pm

Who said anything about losing money? This is about revenue generation.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:41pm

What has the revenue done for BYU? The BYU "brand" hasn't increased since indy

kolob32

9/25/17 3:44pm

You mean, other than being on ESPN nearly every week? That's a "brand" increase.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:49pm

ESPN has been huge. I think our football reputation hasn't increased much since

kolob32

9/25/17 4:00pm

OK, let's go back and win in the kiddie pool! Yeah!!! Brand improved by beating teams no one cares about! Woo!

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:50pm

I wouldn't call Houston, Boise St, USF, UCF etc the kiddie poll.

kolob32

9/25/17 4:03pm

BSU is the only one who isn't. The rest have zero consistency to claim otherwise.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 4:08pm

Put your feet down, you're in the kidding pool! When BYU gets into a Super-Confe

blackshirts

9/25/17 6:07pm

RE: Really? You realize BYU has better finances than every other G5 right?

Twturner5

9/25/17 3:39pm

Doubt it. They still need games, and still make all that revenue with that league.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:43pm

So which G5 team has as many nationally broadcast games as BYU??

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:50pm

When you're getting your butt kicked national TV is a negitive.

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:14pm

So the gap is just as big but our schedules are guaranteed to suck worse in G5?

Resurgens

9/25/17 7:55pm

The P2 gap is getting wider from the other so called power conferences as well.

Pasadena

9/25/17 3:38pm

Thank you! Mic drop. G5 isn't. the gap will widen. Only chance of keeping it

Idahofallsblue

9/25/17 3:41pm

So there will be a large gap, instead of a massive gap. Yeah i guess every

Polecat

9/25/17 5:34pm

Yes

Idahofallsblue

9/25/17 5:47pm

If we stay Indy long enough religion may become the new trend and we get grabbed

Y4LYFE

9/25/17 4:28pm

My preference is G5 you prefer indy let's agree to disagree go Cougs!

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 4:31pm

So BYU football is not sustainable. The P5's are not going to invite a Mormon

Polecat

9/25/17 5:33pm

You're right!! The gap between P4 and GX(the rest) will increase dramatically.

blackshirts

9/25/17 6:02pm

Observations of attendance at BYU football games.

Rob of NV

9/25/17 6:23pm

A key issue here is what is our definition of "sustainable"?

insidebyu

9/25/17 6:49pm

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