It wasn't happening in the MWC either. And never will for any MWC team.

Sep 25, 2017
3:08:37pm

Turnpike Lane Monday Morning Quarterback

None will ever be top4 even if undefeated as SOS is now a metric.

Being ranked needs to be the standard and improve from there. Same as the vast majority of P5 schools who won't ever make the top4 either and almost never a NY6.

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G5 isn't sustainable. The p5 gap will increase 2 fold-So stop with this nonsense

TheFed

9/25/17 2:57pm

So.....it's all over. BYU is done? Because they are not getting invited....

WJCougar

9/25/17 2:59pm

This notion that independence is less sustainable than G5 is nonsense

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:03pm

It is not looking very sustainable right now.

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:06pm

What does that even mean to you?

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:08pm

It's a phrase seen on CB so it gets regurgitated without meaning.

Lip Gallagher

9/25/17 3:42pm

Of course it has meaning...and people are right when they say it.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:13pm

Tom Holmoe isn't a CBer

Polecat

9/25/17 5:35pm

It means BYU is going nowhere with Independence.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:13pm

Yes I do. The schedules are getting better, we make more money, we have more exposure, and we are getting a different

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 4:22pm

I would love to agree with you....but nothing in the past 7 years has shown....

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:29pm

You need to go look at the schedules for the next 4 years. It is getting better.

Lance71

9/25/17 4:31pm

The schedules aren’t where they need to be but look in the near future

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 4:41pm

We wouldn't win the conf this yr. Do you think 4th in MWC/AAC would be better?

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 4:29pm

It would be the same this year whether or not BYU was AAC or Independent.

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:30pm

Maybe but most people won t pay attention to how good we are compared to AAC

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 8:23pm

It's obvious many people on here are not smart about economic realities.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 2:59pm

I don't know what will happen. All I know is with Indy there is too much

cougschwa

9/25/17 3:04pm

No there isnt. The pressure needs to be on being ranked at years end

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:06pm

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sgriff

9/25/17 3:00pm

BYU is G5... independence didn't change that

Coug

9/25/17 3:01pm

It actually did change their revenue model significantly.

boogers

9/25/17 3:02pm

Boise State has a similar financial situation with the MWC...

Coug

9/25/17 3:03pm

If by "similar" you mean "substantially inferior" then yes.

mik3

9/25/17 3:08pm

It did. For 2015 (last year data available),

Everyman

9/25/17 3:13pm

Yeah it did. See G5 slot for NY6. BYU is not G5.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:02pm

So, BYU is in a worse position since their chance of NY6 is so small?

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:03pm

Depends on what your overall view of the big picture for BYU is

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:04pm

What is this big picture you are thinking of?

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:05pm

It wasn't happening in the MWC either. And never will for any MWC team.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:08pm

Wait... What? We have as much of a chance to make the playoffs...

Coug

9/25/17 3:07pm

Way better than G5 due to SOS. They will not make it. See TCU/Baylor.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:10pm

Our SOS has only slightly changed...

Coug

9/25/17 3:20pm

Most AAC teams had a harder SOS than BYU last year. So did Utah State. It will

Scratch

9/25/17 3:41pm

Scratch

9/25/17 3:40pm

BYU is not G5. That is a fact.

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 3:03pm

Haha, we are... we just don't belong to a G5 conference...

Coug

9/25/17 3:05pm

We're less than G5. G5 has an auto tie-in to post-season. BYU doesn't have that.

foofcoug

9/25/17 3:06pm

Two things. First, belonging to a G5 conference is the very definition of "G5." Second, by any measure you want to use,

CalGTR

9/25/17 5:11pm

So we make more money and have more fans...

Coug

9/25/17 5:22pm

Nor are they P5....which is fact.

WJCougar

9/25/17 3:06pm

BYU is not P5. People that say BYU is P5 are denying the facts, same as those that say BYU is G5. Neither is true.

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 3:54pm

So, BYU is nothing?

WJCougar

9/25/17 4:14pm

RE: So, BYU is nothing?

Gentleman Stan

9/25/17 7:38pm

Until BYU gets into a conference and become relevant again like Houston, SDST,

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:30pm

I don't see many, if any, claiming that we're P5. We all know we don't belong to a P5 conference.

CalGTR

9/25/17 5:13pm

Remind me. What p5 league are we in?

Backcountry

9/25/17 9:02pm

It significantly changed that. BYU is not G5.

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:03pm

How?

Coug

9/25/17 3:09pm

“BYU is not G5”

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 3:14pm

Correct, BYU is Indy. Indy is Umass, Army, and BYU.

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:37pm

Correct

YIsForBrigham

9/25/17 9:05pm

By definition BYU isn't P5 or G5 as we're not a member of either conference type

BYU Fan

9/25/17 3:04pm

Which of these programs has finished the season ranked in the last 5 years?

boscatar

9/25/17 3:03pm

Aaand, being part of the MWC would have changed that somehow?

boogers

9/25/17 3:03pm

Of course it would. It's still not worth it for me but

cougfanz

9/25/17 3:06pm

This is the harsh reality of the situation

kolob32

9/25/17 3:29pm

Some of our best BYU teams - 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009 - had pretty weak schedules

boscatar

9/25/17 3:29pm

Absolutely. (though, I prefer expanded AAC over MWC).

boscatar

9/25/17 3:15pm

Ouch, are you kidding, San Jose State?

insidebyu

9/25/17 6:43pm

We lost to SJSU that season... I think it was 2012 or 2013.

Coug

9/25/17 7:30pm

Yup. 2012. SJSU went 11-2. That was the year they beat us 20-14 in San Jose...

boscatar

9/26/17 2:16pm

G5 and indy are both unsustainable so I guess we're just screwed.

sgriff

9/25/17 3:09pm

BYU has been in the black every year of independence. That seems sustainable.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:14pm

Sorry to break it to you but the gap between Indy vs. P5 is same as G5 vs. P5

kolob32

9/25/17 3:20pm

The reality of independence income for BYU does not support that conclusion.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:33pm

Really? You realize BYU has better finances than every other G5 right? 100% of them.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:35pm

So BYU was losing money when it was part of MWC?

kolob32

9/25/17 3:38pm

Who said anything about losing money? This is about revenue generation.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:41pm

What has the revenue done for BYU? The BYU "brand" hasn't increased since indy

kolob32

9/25/17 3:44pm

You mean, other than being on ESPN nearly every week? That's a "brand" increase.

Lance71

9/25/17 3:49pm

ESPN has been huge. I think our football reputation hasn't increased much since

kolob32

9/25/17 4:00pm

OK, let's go back and win in the kiddie pool! Yeah!!! Brand improved by beating teams no one cares about! Woo!

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:50pm

I wouldn't call Houston, Boise St, USF, UCF etc the kiddie poll.

kolob32

9/25/17 4:03pm

BSU is the only one who isn't. The rest have zero consistency to claim otherwise.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 4:08pm

Put your feet down, you're in the kidding pool! When BYU gets into a Super-Confe

blackshirts

9/25/17 6:07pm

RE: Really? You realize BYU has better finances than every other G5 right?

Twturner5

9/25/17 3:39pm

Doubt it. They still need games, and still make all that revenue with that league.

Turnpike Lane

9/25/17 3:43pm

So which G5 team has as many nationally broadcast games as BYU??

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:50pm

When you're getting your butt kicked national TV is a negitive.

blackshirts

9/25/17 8:14pm

So the gap is just as big but our schedules are guaranteed to suck worse in G5?

Resurgens

9/25/17 7:55pm

The P2 gap is getting wider from the other so called power conferences as well.

Pasadena

9/25/17 3:38pm

Thank you! Mic drop. G5 isn't. the gap will widen. Only chance of keeping it

Idahofallsblue

9/25/17 3:41pm

So there will be a large gap, instead of a massive gap. Yeah i guess every

Polecat

9/25/17 5:34pm

Yes

Idahofallsblue

9/25/17 5:47pm

If we stay Indy long enough religion may become the new trend and we get grabbed

Y4LYFE

9/25/17 4:28pm

My preference is G5 you prefer indy let's agree to disagree go Cougs!

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 4:31pm

So BYU football is not sustainable. The P5's are not going to invite a Mormon

Polecat

9/25/17 5:33pm

You're right!! The gap between P4 and GX(the rest) will increase dramatically.

blackshirts

9/25/17 6:02pm

Observations of attendance at BYU football games.

Rob of NV

9/25/17 6:23pm

A key issue here is what is our definition of "sustainable"?

insidebyu

9/25/17 6:49pm

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