Except that's untrue. WVU was a top 40 defense in ppg allowed. Toledo was 54th.

Sep 26, 2017
4:25:19pm

Phcole Walk-on

Those aren't bad defenses, they're average and above average. WVU was the 2nd best defense we played in this metric, only behind Boise state.

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The narrative that our offense has done nothing good under Detmer is wrong.

GOR

9/26/17 3:12pm

RE: The narrative that our offense has done nothing good under Detmer is wrong.

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 3:13pm

Thanks to two all time leading rushers that went on to the NFL

Jericho

9/26/17 3:14pm

No doubt the Jamaal/Taysom duo had a lot to do with the good stats

GOR

9/26/17 3:25pm

With a QB/RB combo like that... Gary Crowton would have had a heyday

Jericho

9/26/17 3:30pm

Coaching is overrated when you have great players. Great or not, your record is

coastcat

9/27/17 8:42am

From 4th grade to Pro I agree. There are some anomalies,

Refugee

9/27/17 9:09am

I generally see it as about 75/25 in terms of talent/coaching

Jericho

9/27/17 11:04am

Agreed.

Refugee

9/27/17 12:24pm

This is funny.

Eddie

9/26/17 3:46pm

Actually Eddie, that's not what he's saying.

Thug Mormons

9/26/17 4:01pm

That's more revisionist history.

Eddie

9/26/17 4:33pm

Stop projecting your opinion or what some CBer's said on me or on reality

Jericho

9/26/17 4:36pm

I'm not projecting ANYTHING on you.

Eddie

9/26/17 4:42pm

I've always been high on Hill and wanted him to start until he graduated in a

Jericho

9/26/17 4:49pm

I'm with you. Really, I am.

Eddie

9/26/17 4:53pm

I called him talented because he was a Heisman candidate before he got injured

Jericho

9/26/17 5:02pm

Listen - this really isn't about YOU.

Eddie

9/26/17 5:05pm

He was injured

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 9:26pm

Most teams that do well in college have at least two similar types of players.

Refugee

9/27/17 7:57am

There were indeed some strong aspects to our offense last year. Folks got frustrated watching the passing game

CalGTR

9/26/17 3:18pm

Exactly. No doubt the passing game had (has) major holes. But the strong aspects

GOR

9/26/17 3:21pm

It shows that with an NFL QB and RB we could only muster an average offense

ayfan

9/26/17 3:24pm

Hill wasn't an NFL QB.

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 3:25pm

RE: Hill wasn't an NFL QB.

Scratch

9/26/17 3:32pm

Come on. He was coming back from a terrible injury.

GOR

9/26/17 3:44pm

Right, he couldn't throw because of his foot... lol

Jericho

9/26/17 4:14pm

If we just wanted him to be John Beck...

Eddie

9/26/17 5:39pm

He had a better passer rating as a true freshman fresh off a mission...

Jericho

9/26/17 5:42pm

Are you talking about Mangum or Hill?

Eddie

9/26/17 5:50pm

Hill played here and there and eventually started two games before being injured

Jericho

9/26/17 5:54pm

Just to be clear what we are talking about...

Eddie

9/26/17 6:10pm

My point is that he was a freshman completely new to the college level

Jericho

9/26/17 6:16pm

Accuracy is accuracy.

Eddie

9/26/17 7:05pm

It's not just accuracy though, that's what you don't seem to understand.

Jericho

9/26/17 8:07pm

I understand.

Eddie

9/26/17 8:15pm

You never answered my question about Taysom vs Nebraska though

Jericho

9/26/17 8:22pm

You keep missing my point.

Eddie

9/26/17 8:29pm

I played the position in HS, so I do have some idea about what is needed

Jericho

9/26/17 8:39pm

I agree that something has to change.

Eddie

9/26/17 8:42pm

I actually expect to see us running more uptempo read option this week

Jericho

9/26/17 8:44pm

That's from this year, right?

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 9:26pm

Yes. Hill didn't play for BYU and in the NFL last year.

Scratch

9/27/17 8:23am

that seems obvious to everybody but you considering i said he wasn't

smokymountainrain

9/27/17 8:25am

You're wasting your time

BYURider

9/26/17 5:43pm

I'd be happy to get 200 yards passing per game

Jericho

9/26/17 5:48pm

You'll get it this week

BYURider

9/26/17 5:51pm

We had the 66th offense last year, against some bad teams with 2 NFL guys.

Turbine

9/26/17 3:20pm

All we need are two NFL caliber players at QB & RB to have a perfectly mediocre

Jericho

9/26/17 3:24pm

RE: All we need is two NFL caliber players at QB and RB to have a perfectly

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 3:26pm

Hill wasn't a freak athlete and certainly wasn't a NFL caliber QB last year.

smokymountainrain

9/26/17 3:26pm

Partial credit. He was also out of place in a system that didn't use his legs.

Turbine

9/26/17 3:28pm

Taysom Hill was "not" a freak athlete? You mean just last year?

BleedCougarBlue2

9/26/17 3:29pm

That's because he was way too bulky along with most of the team. Hill now looks

SnickSnack

9/26/17 4:21pm

He still had his 2nd best rushing season last year and was good enough to

Jericho

9/26/17 4:38pm

Not a great point considering all other seasons but one

SnickSnack

9/26/17 8:52pm

at the start of the season I did think he was slower

Jericho

9/26/17 9:41pm

We were 62nd in scoring Offense, that isn't good

ayfan

9/26/17 3:20pm

Who cares about yards if you have the ball for the entire 1st quarter & score 7?

GOR

9/26/17 3:23pm

Your ignoring my main point, 62nd is scoring is not a good offense

ayfan

9/26/17 3:29pm

I'm not ignoring your point. 62nd in scoring IS a good offense IF

GOR

9/26/17 3:53pm

Also worth noting that over the last 9 games we scored 37ppg.

Phcole

9/26/17 4:02pm

Yep, the stats that really matter are 1) points per possession and

Scratch

9/26/17 4:03pm

good luck replicating a 5th year senior with 1000s of reps and an all-time RB.

ag4cougs

9/26/17 3:35pm

we were barely average with GOAT at RB and best athlete ever at QB

nashty

9/26/17 3:28pm

Define average

GOR

9/26/17 3:34pm

mid 60's nationally. That was easy.

Turbine

9/26/17 3:40pm

<< Deleted >>

GOR

9/26/17 3:45pm

Can we stop pretending that not putting up points was in the game plan?

Left Shark Coug

9/26/17 3:31pm

thank you. been saying this for over a year.

ag4cougs

9/26/17 3:36pm

No, because you're wrong.

GOR

9/26/17 3:41pm

How about UCLA? Utah? Did you even watch those games?

Turbine

9/26/17 3:48pm

Your opinion would be valid if we had actually been sustaining drives and not

Left Shark Coug

9/26/17 3:51pm

Huh?

GOR

9/26/17 3:56pm

You move at an extreme snail pace and rack up stats on bad teams.

Left Shark Coug

9/26/17 4:07pm

Except that's untrue. WVU was a top 40 defense in ppg allowed. Toledo was 54th.

Phcole

9/26/17 4:25pm

Hmmm..if only there was a high scoring game last year, one the defensed needed

BYUSwoop

9/26/17 10:30pm

Awesome. Now repeat it so it doesn't appear to be a fluke.

Left Shark Coug

9/27/17 8:17am

Did it twice

BYUSwoop

9/28/17 6:19pm

2 out of 17. Not bad. Trending up or down right now?

Left Shark Coug

9/28/17 6:49pm

Live in the now. BYU fans get accused of living in the past

BeYoU

9/26/17 4:47pm

You have a point here.

GOR

9/26/17 4:54pm

Our recruiting rankings fall typically in the 50 - 60 range. Our offense should

BlueForLife

9/27/17 1:37am

My biggest concern is that we couldn't identify

CougsCavsCats

9/26/17 7:31pm

Like at RB? That is my biggest criticism of the staff.

GOR

9/26/17 9:20pm

Here piggy piggy piggy! We got some nice lipstick for you....

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