That may be, but I am just discussing the ability of Norm Chow in evaluating

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Nov 20, 2017
8:32:04am

TheLoneCougar Contributor

That may be, but I am just discussing the ability of Norm Chow in evaluating

the BYU football team in practice this past week.

You stated that the game past him by, thus inferring that he is a poor evaluator or practice, scheming, and game planning.

My argument is that he is still relevant in that area (not in being a football coach), because as an evaluator the key indicators are obvious. If he saw practice and thought they had a good game plan, then something was going right. I'd trust his evaluation and judgement in this area.

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Norm Chow just said the playcalling

BYURider

11/20/17 8:13am

Great coaches get great execution from their players.

Baron

11/20/17 8:14am

This is the problem currently. I agree the play calling is just fine. The problem is in coaching players to do the right

The Dude Abides

11/20/17 9:29am

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^X 1 hundred billion.

CObluezone

11/20/17 9:37am

Crowton was a phenomenal playcaller

keylimesoda

11/20/17 9:46am

"I'd rather win by nine than by two". Yup, great play caller.

Soy Celeste

11/20/17 10:34am

Tough to know what to think about a guy who takes things out of context.

Eddie

11/20/17 11:00am

there's nothing out of context with that statement Crowton made. it was pathetic

mindzeYe

11/20/17 11:51am

It was 'that mentality' that caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of

Soy Celeste

11/20/17 12:35pm

I'm pretty sure we agree

mindzeYe

11/20/17 1:10pm

Sure - if you just take the statement.

Eddie

11/20/17 3:13pm

Uhh...by what standard is that true? Not even close to true.

BlueTooth

11/20/17 1:49pm

Croutons problem was not Xs and Os, it was in execution.

keylimesoda

11/20/17 11:19pm

After going to the game saturday and watching in person, I tend to agree it's

SoValleyCOUG

11/20/17 9:51am

Developing players is coaching for sure.

wilsdad

11/20/17 5:24pm

So you are saying small and simple things are the solution?

Heinz57

11/20/17 9:20pm

You can only make a Prius go so fast.

blackshirts

11/20/17 9:52am

That's norm chow, definitely doesn't know anything about coaching d1 football.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:15am

Norm Chow was relavent 15-20 or even more years ago. The game has passed him

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:22am

A coach is still a coach and regardless of the Xs and Os of the game nowadays

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 8:25am

Get out of here with those hate facts.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:26am

What you mention is the DIRECT result of poor coaching and lack of leadership.

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:27am

You misunderstood what he said.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:28am

Certainly you don't think there is hustle, effort and passion out there

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:31am

Norm chow thought so.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:50am

Haha... Norm Chow's career HC record is 10-36 you really hanging your hat on

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:23am

Haha, he was the assistant coach of the year in 99. Yes I trust he knows what a

Phcole

11/20/17 9:39am

You are making yourself sound very ignorant here.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 10:03am

When was the last time Chow had a really successfully offense? 2004

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:43pm

Just wondering... How many Heisman Trophy winners have you coached?

CougarThug

11/20/17 1:46pm

The fact Chow has had abysmal offensive results the last 13 yrs has nothing to

kotacoug

11/20/17 3:44pm

Because being a coach and evaluating a game are two different things.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 7:17pm

That may be, but I am just discussing the ability of Norm Chow in evaluating

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 8:32am

And do you really think he's going to say anything negative lol

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:17am

Absolutely.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 10:01am

Not with his guys. Completely different. Ty and Sitake are his

kotacoug

11/20/17 10:29am

Failure since 2004? What planet do you live on?

11/20/17 8:52am

Haha the planet that Chow got fired from the Titans, UCLA, Utah,

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:15pm

DPOTD

Uncle Bluto

11/20/17 10:50am

Haaaaaha nice....here's a post for you to check out

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:50pm

That, or Norm's just coverin for his boyz.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 8:59am

Probably the case

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:18am

Throw 45 times with a freshman against a terrible run D? Norm is nuts.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:17am

Yep. More CBers who are better at understanding football than lifetime coaches.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:20am

But it’s Norm Chow... old cbers could predict his third down calls back in the

Polecat

11/20/17 8:23am

Ty's offense is ranked 125. Shutup cougarboard, Ty is terrible at his job.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:35am

I don’t think he’s defending Ty. He’s just saying CB consistently thinks they

Polecat

11/20/17 8:46am

Meantime your opinion combined with a nickel is still worth only 5 cents

CougarThug

11/20/17 1:52pm

I can't stand this argument. Just because we aren't coaches doesn't mean we dont

IronPotato

11/20/17 9:35am

I coached HS Football for 30 years

ALC

11/20/17 10:31am

While I agree at k3ast testing the 8 and 9 man front in the run game

11/20/17 8:48pm

BYU was down 2 scores for about 1/3rd of the game, so there's your 45 passes

Indy Coug

11/20/17 8:22am

Yeah, BYU was slinging it on every play to start the game.

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 8:27am

It's a lot more nuanced than that.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:35am

Had we run more, Joe would not have been getting sacked

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:04am

What you linked is not nuanced at all. It's a birds eye view. Here's nuance:

Phcole

11/20/17 9:35am

Your stats are wrong

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:58am

I'm looking at the espn play by play right now.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:03am

Uh, did you watch the game? And never down more than 2 scores leaves time to run

Turbine

11/20/17 8:34am

Wrong. First half BYU had 22 passes to 10 runs. They were either tied or

byubyu

11/20/17 8:38am

This. CB defending Ty is ludicrous.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:42am

But look closer. A lot of those pass plays were forced by critchlow getting

Phcole

11/20/17 8:44am

If you run the ball, you can't get sacked.

11/20/17 9:40am

So your argument is that we should have only run the ball. Got it.

Phcole

11/20/17 9:43am

Not at all. Look at the actual stats.

11/20/17 9:50am

Excluding the two minute drill we ran on 5 first downs and passed on 4.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:02am

Your point? The point still stands.

11/20/17 10:05am

My point is that outside of one drive, the run wasn't working well.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:13am

The outcomes of run/pass suggest that running was still our best bet

11/20/17 10:50am

A few completions opens the run game up. That's the strategy.

Phcole

11/20/17 12:36pm

Even before this game, people on here and in the media were predicting

11/20/17 10:04am

Because Critchlow was getting sacked. Way too many passing plays early.

boscatar

11/20/17 9:48am

It was only 3 -0 at halftime.

kahuna

11/20/17 2:43pm

I don't even care about that... it's just a proven at this point that what ever

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:25am

UMass had eight in the box most of the game and was daring Critchlow to beat

P-Boy Squad

11/20/17 8:31am

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CalGTR

11/20/17 1:18pm

This. Impossible to successfully "just run the ball." With no passing game to fear, they sold-out on stopping the run.

CalGTR

11/20/17 1:19pm

Norm objectively covering for his boyz Ty & Kalani. How sweet.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 8:34am

If Anae were OC there'd be far better execution...

NorCal_Coug

11/20/17 8:35am

Norm Chow is wrong: No Awareness of how to attack UMass defense

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 8:38am

they stacked the box

11/20/17 8:53am

Wrong! I counted mostly 7 man fronts

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:02pm

We arent an option team. Those teams entire backfields would

11/21/17 4:02am

While I hate Ty's scheme, Norm is right.

mudpupper

11/20/17 8:42am

Ty went completely away from Squally for a full quarter

CougarsFanSince80s

11/20/17 8:44am

Which was particularly ridiculous given their biggest DL weighed 274 -- & their

mantis mutu

11/20/17 9:11am

What I've been saying all along. It's not the scheme. It's everything else.

GOR

11/20/17 8:44am

Well, that is still 100% on the coaches

idacoug

11/20/17 8:48am

Right but is Detmer the problem? Or HC/culture/discipline?

GOR

11/20/17 8:55am

Impossible to pinpoint but looks more and more to me like it's coming from the top. Could be wrong.

Refugee

11/20/17 8:57am

Last game was the worst called game of the year for Detmer imo. Detmer has his

cougaman

11/20/17 8:54am

Where is Norm coaching theses days? Has he been any good in the past decade? If he knew what was going on he'd be in a

sgriff

11/20/17 8:57am

Chow is 71 and likely not looking for a full time gig any more.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:17pm

I’ll admit - I’m all over the place with my thoughts on this team...

truecougster

11/20/17 9:21am

Playcalling is fine, players aren't executing. Why is that so hard to believe?

11/20/17 9:30am

That is fine for a game or two. What is the definition of insanity?

11/20/17 9:41am

Ty has adapted a LOT this year to work with what he has.

GOR

11/20/17 10:00am

It is the OCs job to get them to execute. Calling plays is not #1 task for OC.

fulano

11/20/17 9:47am

I know. Just don't know why they think Chow is wrong.

11/20/17 10:12am

I think he is right. Of course, execution needs to be taught and coached

Bob Vance

11/20/17 10:06am

If you are calling plays your team can't execute then it's bad play calling.

SpiffCoug

11/20/17 10:51am

At game #12 on the season it sure is, anyways.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 1:07pm

1. Yeah he wouldn’t be bias about Ty. 2. Playcalling is only one responsibility

11/20/17 11:26am

i'm shocked that a guy who runs a similar offense from 1982 is supportive of the current scheme. that being said, he is

macaroni

11/20/17 11:57am

Norm Chow has run a variety of offenses.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:20pm

RE: Norm Chow just said the playcalling

BlueTroop

11/20/17 12:22pm

Have Norm explain the 2nd down playcalling in the first half

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 12:33pm

The coaches job is to get the players to execute. It's still on the coaches.

fulano

11/20/17 1:51pm

Coaches have to stay on the sidelines. They can't do it all.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:21pm

I am confident this is true. But there is a critical component missing.

BlueTooth

11/20/17 1:58pm

No one posting in this thread knows a fraction about running an offense

11/20/17 2:15pm

According to the OP, Norm said he has "no idea what...happened on Saturday"

11/20/17 2:19pm

I'm sure Young, Detmer, Rivers, Palmer, and Leinart would all agree with you.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:25pm

I never said he got lucky or doesn't know anything.

11/20/17 2:30pm

I trust the stats more than coachspeak

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 2:48pm

Sorry, but if you watched the Fresno game, UMASS was way better defensively

braddahmike

11/20/17 6:02pm

That’s funny, because today in coordinators corner TY said he came out too

yapacoug

11/20/17 6:19pm

Kalani said the same thing on the coaches show. There goes that narrative.

11/20/17 6:22pm

"We"ve got to be more agressive" " we were too agressive!"...

11/21/17 4:07am

Struggling with reading comprehension, are we?

Phcole

11/20/17 6:31pm

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