Jun 24, 2012
11:26:19am
11:26:19am
RE: Good info, here are a couple more thoughts
I appreciate your response. I think the best way to know why the football team's collective APR number is lower than the other sports at BYU is to review each scholarship player that cost the team APR points over the past four years and see why they cost us points. I am not enough of an insider to have access to this information.
Back on the inter-school comparison, here are the numbers from schools at the exact opposite side of the spectrum -- Brett McMurphy's bottom 10 for academics:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15234331/apr-rankings-show-clemson-acc-getting-it-done-in-the-classroom
Once again, it is organized like this:
Team: APR (4yr FB grad rate), (4yr nonFB grad rate), (6yr nonFB grad rate).
Louisville: 911 (41%), (21%), (49%).
Akron: 933 (55%), (14%), (35%).
Memphis: 932 (55%), (11%), (36%).
UAB: 953 (69%), (17%), (39%).
Eastern Michigan: 935 (57%), (12%), (38%).
FAU: 930 (53%), (16%), (42%).
Buffalo: 923 (49%), (42%), (63%).
Iowa State: 938 (59%), (35%), (69%).
Louisiana-Monroe: 917 (45%), (12%), (31%).
UTEP: 911 (41%), (4%), (35%).
Here, even among the worst football academic institutions in the nation, no football team's APR is as weak against its sponsoring institution's general graduation rate as BYU football is. While both SUNY-Buffalo's and Iowa State's football graduation rates lag behind their institutions, even these football programs' graduation rates -- again, the absolute worst in the nation last year -- do not lag behind their sponsoring institutions as dramatically as BYU football's APR lags behind the six-year nonathlete student graduation rate at BYU. BYU football's score compared to BYU-at large is 33% to 50% worse than these two worst schools' scores against their sponsoring institutions nonfootball rates, respectively.
Maybe it is my blue goggles, but I simply refuse to believe BYU has a football program more academically out-of-sync with the rest of the university than schools like UTEP, UAB, Memphis, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe, et al.
BYU's APR problems include student-athletes struggling academically, just like at almost every school in the country. However, my point is that BYU's APR problems are compounded because of the unique aspect of mission departures on BYU's football team, the fact that APR is calculated differently from true graduation rates, and the fact that the APR calculation, unlike true graduation rates, does not account for two-year missions.
That said, I am just looking at correlations that stand out to me from the available info. I agree that we are not going to reach a definitive conclusion on this without better raw data to review.
Back on the inter-school comparison, here are the numbers from schools at the exact opposite side of the spectrum -- Brett McMurphy's bottom 10 for academics:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15234331/apr-rankings-show-clemson-acc-getting-it-done-in-the-classroom
Once again, it is organized like this:
Team: APR (4yr FB grad rate), (4yr nonFB grad rate), (6yr nonFB grad rate).
Louisville: 911 (41%), (21%), (49%).
Akron: 933 (55%), (14%), (35%).
Memphis: 932 (55%), (11%), (36%).
UAB: 953 (69%), (17%), (39%).
Eastern Michigan: 935 (57%), (12%), (38%).
FAU: 930 (53%), (16%), (42%).
Buffalo: 923 (49%), (42%), (63%).
Iowa State: 938 (59%), (35%), (69%).
Louisiana-Monroe: 917 (45%), (12%), (31%).
UTEP: 911 (41%), (4%), (35%).
Here, even among the worst football academic institutions in the nation, no football team's APR is as weak against its sponsoring institution's general graduation rate as BYU football is. While both SUNY-Buffalo's and Iowa State's football graduation rates lag behind their institutions, even these football programs' graduation rates -- again, the absolute worst in the nation last year -- do not lag behind their sponsoring institutions as dramatically as BYU football's APR lags behind the six-year nonathlete student graduation rate at BYU. BYU football's score compared to BYU-at large is 33% to 50% worse than these two worst schools' scores against their sponsoring institutions nonfootball rates, respectively.
Maybe it is my blue goggles, but I simply refuse to believe BYU has a football program more academically out-of-sync with the rest of the university than schools like UTEP, UAB, Memphis, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe, et al.
BYU's APR problems include student-athletes struggling academically, just like at almost every school in the country. However, my point is that BYU's APR problems are compounded because of the unique aspect of mission departures on BYU's football team, the fact that APR is calculated differently from true graduation rates, and the fact that the APR calculation, unlike true graduation rates, does not account for two-year missions.
That said, I am just looking at correlations that stand out to me from the available info. I agree that we are not going to reach a definitive conclusion on this without better raw data to review.
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