“KSL” = the Mitch Harper article you linked? He was so ‘in the know’ he couldn’t

Dec 22, 2020
4:16:39pm

BYU'01 All-American

Even confirm that BYU had signed a deal. You can’t use BYU’s deal in 2010 as the same as its deal into the 2020s. It grew just like the rest of the market.

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BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money

runningryan Starter

12/22/20 11:48am

I'd guess what BYU gets is higher than the average for the AAC.

Turnpike Lane

12/22/20 11:49am

Doubt it.

runningryan

12/22/20 11:54am

Now take the new schedules for home games v. the old into consideration. That is what ESPN is paying for.

Turnpike Lane

12/22/20 11:55am

Yup. Getting 7 P5s, many out of conference, is a big benefit to ESPN.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 11:58am

Think the big issue is that they're almost all road games

krindorr

12/22/20 2:47pm

Travel is hard. This has been sitake's strength so far though.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:54pm

100%; BYU has actually played better on the road

krindorr

12/22/20 3:02pm

Quite a bit more.

BornNotBuilt

12/22/20 11:56am

But where are you getting that figure?

runningryan

12/22/20 12:13pm

Data with Links - $4.32M for BYU from broadcast revenue/rights

krindorr

12/22/20 1:03pm

This is from the Daily Herald:

Junior Deputy

12/22/20 12:17pm

How dare you post something from a news outlet using credible estimates and analysis compared to

runningryan

12/22/20 12:25pm

I'm not saying exposure is a bad thing but I think BYU fans overvalue "exposure"

pinolero

12/22/20 11:54am

The exposure is for BYU and the Church not for BYU fans.

BornNotBuilt

12/22/20 11:57am

No - it's definitely for fans too (as well as recruits.)

Eddie

12/22/20 12:16pm

EXPOSURE is for BYU and the Church; ACCESS is for the fans

Doogal McCougar

12/22/20 12:46pm

And exposure is for the recruits and players, too.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:47pm

BYU fans value exposure b/c that's what BOT/Admin/Church values

Linescratcher

12/22/20 12:06pm

Sure, I just think BYU would get plenty of TV exposure in the AAC.

pinolero

12/22/20 12:31pm

Isn't BYU's deal for football only, basketball is with WCC. The AAC deal is for

JONBOY

12/22/20 11:54am

Basketball likely isn’t nearly as much revenue as you think

runningryan

12/22/20 11:59am

I wonder how big the basketball tv deal is. And how much we'd cut out of AAC

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:18pm

2019 data has BYU with $4.32M total broadcast revenue

krindorr

12/22/20 1:04pm

Since you don't know how much BYU is making on their TV deal, we could probably

byubyu

12/22/20 11:55am

KSL estimated the last deal was $6 million per year. Considering the source that is probably a pretty credible estimate

runningryan

12/22/20 12:02pm

Data from disclosures puts $ at $4.3-$4.5 million from ESPN

krindorr

12/22/20 1:06pm

“KSL” = the Mitch Harper article you linked? He was so ‘in the know’ he couldn’t

BYU'01

12/22/20 4:16pm

If the money worked and BYU gets virtually the same TV deal with ESPN then I am

Chester Copperpot

12/22/20 12:01pm

I agree. I guess then the debate is how big the money is. Hard with our info.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:05pm

No, money is not the obstacle

runningryan

12/22/20 12:12pm

If indy money is 4.5, no obstacle. If it is 9, obstacle.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:16pm

The ESPN deal is only a small portion of the AD budget. However, the deal

mudpupper

12/22/20 12:02pm

Travel alone would kill the program. Tulsa would be nearest member just a short

Cosmo4life

12/22/20 12:02pm

Travel? We traveling all over already with an independent schedule.

JohnnyC

12/22/20 12:05pm

Besides the Georgia southern game Baylor will be are only game that’s over 1200

Cosmo4life

12/22/20 1:51pm

Yeah, travel would be a bear. Boise and San Diego would help a bit, but still.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:05pm

This is a red herring.

runningryan

12/22/20 12:07pm

That's fair. We already travel a ton. AAC needs BSU and SDSU though, and a new

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:14pm

I am not sure how we have more NY6 access than we thought

runningryan

12/22/20 12:21pm

Covid lessons aren't about pandemics. They're about class.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:25pm

ESPN's tv deal isn't just with the Athletic Department. It's also with byutv

DeekLyfter

12/22/20 12:06pm

BYUtv is not making bank

runningryan

12/22/20 12:09pm

$$$ helps scheduling. Travel costs. So it does matter.

Turnpike Lane

12/22/20 12:23pm

RE: BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money

CougarCanuck76

12/22/20 12:11pm

What is your source for that?

runningryan

12/22/20 12:14pm

You’ll find that no one can cite any hard evidence for many of the conventional

Junior Deputy

12/22/20 12:25pm

Yup. However, I very much doubt money is the issue.

runningryan

12/22/20 12:35pm

To be clear I think there are valid reasons to prefer Indy.

Junior Deputy

12/22/20 12:41pm

For sure there is

runningryan

12/22/20 12:46pm

Independence is only going to go until either BYU becomes a P5🤣, or the G5 is

byusage

12/22/20 4:14pm

Re: AAC: In the last 5 years, only 1/60 (each team x 5 seasons) played more than

rcbyufan

12/22/20 12:14pm

I don’t think you read my post carefully

runningryan

12/22/20 12:17pm

I didn't mention money. I wasn't trying to rebut you, I was merely staying if

rcbyufan

12/22/20 12:22pm

My point was not to argue that we join the AAC

runningryan

12/22/20 12:29pm

I can appreciate this take.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:36pm

RE: I can appreciate this take.

runningryan

12/22/20 12:42pm

Didn't BYU get more exposure this year when NOT playing a P5 schedule?

WJCougar

12/22/20 12:33pm

Is that you Jarom?

runningryan

12/22/20 12:37pm

You're implying wins had nothing to do with it.

ochobeeguy

12/22/20 12:49pm

All our wins were in the context of “what if they had played their original schedule”

runningryan

12/22/20 12:54pm

But if we had lost any of the games, nobody would have talked about us.

ochobeeguy

12/22/20 1:06pm

If BYU loses just 1 game....nobody talks about them.

WJCougar

12/22/20 2:53pm

Could this be in part due to COVID making 2020 an Outlier?

Dr MoBYU

12/22/20 12:38pm

And the story of losing 6 p5s was huge. Playoff committee cited it.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:39pm

And as long as we can get harder schedules

runningryan

12/22/20 12:48pm

Yes, but this is exactly why Jarom Jordan is wrong. Took the opposite lesson.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:54pm

I agree with this

runningryan

12/22/20 1:07pm

This is true. And it skews our data against P5 teams.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:15pm

I love how many people have crunched the numbers.

runningryan

12/22/20 1:17pm

Here's the 2019 Data

krindorr

12/22/20 1:02pm

Revenue is driven by scheduling.

runningryan

12/22/20 1:10pm

Does Krindor's data suffers from covid changes?

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:17pm

2019-2020 shouldn't have much/any COVID influence

krindorr

12/22/20 1:45pm

I don't know what to make of financial disclosures here.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:51pm

I tend to lean AAC regardless

krindorr

12/22/20 1:18pm

I am split

runningryan

12/22/20 1:20pm

Future schedules:

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:28pm

I think this is mostly wrong, point by point.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:42pm

Some interesting numbers for exposure

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 1:48pm

RE: Some interesting numbers for exposure

krindorr

12/22/20 1:56pm

I think ESPN pays more than is in the estimates. I can't back that up.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:01pm

My thoughts

krindorr

12/22/20 1:51pm

2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:00pm

RE: 2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.

krindorr

12/22/20 2:13pm

I used to be a big join the AAC guy. This season changed me.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:40pm

Caveat that this isn't KSL data; it's straight from BYU

krindorr

12/22/20 2:26pm

Yes. It's the school's press release version. Semantics I suppose.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:32pm

The entire AAC (13 teams), all sports, TV + radio had media revenue of $23M

BYU'01

12/23/20 12:35pm

Paywall. How does it work if 7.5 goes to UCF?

I'm Dynamite

12/23/20 1:15pm

That 7.5 number includes tournament credits, bowl payouts, CCG payouts. I don't

rcbyufan

12/23/20 1:24pm

Commissioner takes $2M off the top

BYU'01

12/23/20 1:42pm

BYU got more exposure by being the only team in western US to play a full season

BYU'01

12/22/20 5:52pm

AAC is mostly relegated to ESPN+, especially in hoops.

ConnCoug

12/22/20 1:07pm

BYU Basketball Network Breakdown

krindorr

12/22/20 1:34pm

Our fanbase would definitely prefer BYUtv because it's free as opposed to the

ConnCoug

12/22/20 2:19pm

Valid! Was thinking mostly regarding exposure to non-BYU fans

krindorr

12/22/20 2:23pm

3 year old Article. Irrelevant!

LEDSFW

12/22/20 2:41pm

2019-2020 data tells the same story though...

krindorr

12/22/20 2:52pm

If you say so!

runningryan

12/22/20 3:39pm

I do think sports programming is becoming more lucrative in general.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 3:57pm

Hint: you have no idea. All conf sports totaled $22M (13 teams) of TV revenue

BYU'01

12/22/20 5:30pm

Hint: that was based on revenue distributions BEFORE the new TV deal that took effect in Fall 2020

runningryan

12/23/20 1:31pm

Pick a position: FB-only or all sports? old deal or new deal? 12-yr avg vs. '20?

BYU'01

12/23/20 3:12pm

Look at the numbers run above

runningryan

12/23/20 4:04pm

Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary

BYU'01

12/23/20 4:07pm

Look at the links above and the numbers shown by another poster multiple times in the comments above.

runningryan

12/23/20 4:10pm

RE: Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary

runningryan

12/23/20 4:18pm

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