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Oct 25, 2021
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BlooCoog
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Gotta give credit where credit is due. Cleveland and Bronco did great work
restoring programs that were at historical low points.
I don’t understand posts like this. Why try to minimize a person’s hard work for your team.
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Do we overstate the program rescuing jobs done by Bronco and Steve Cleveland?
dYrtbYkerYder
10/25/21 4:59am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 5:08am
Yeah, this narrative doesn't work for me either.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/25/21 5:10am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 5:12am
Zero evidence football was in danger of being canceled
Deleted
10/25/21 5:18am
Actually it’s discussed in “The System.”
pilot17
10/25/21 5:35am
Yes, Benedict's book details how close the BYU board of trustees were to
Skeptical Optimist
10/25/21 5:51am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 6:20am
I read the book. I’d say it mentions that more than details. It’s not like the
HONOMO
10/25/21 7:31am
It made it very clear that Bronco was told that if he didn't clean up HC issues,
Skeptical Optimist
10/25/21 8:05am
And I have no doubt that happened. I would’ve said the same thing.
HONOMO
10/25/21 8:12am
I’ll take things that never happened for $400
Falco
10/25/21 6:56am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 7:27am
Irony is fun.
Falco
10/25/21 10:44am
Bronco didn't save anything. He coached up great talent and then quit recruiting
MrClark
10/25/21 7:33am
RE: Well, it’s true. So keep living in your world. I’m sure it makes
icecougar
10/25/21 10:08am
Nonsense
HONOMO
10/25/21 7:30am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 7:35am
Total fan fiction
icecougar
10/25/21 10:09am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 10:31am
Totally agree. Many people wondered whether BYU football would be viable with
MDub1
10/25/21 10:17am
Hindsight is a nice thing, ain't it?
HoustonBYUCoug
10/25/21 5:08am
The powers that be were asking LaVell Edwards if he thought BYU football could
gwalker
10/25/21 5:29am
Good points. Steve Cleveland took over a program that had hit
HighHorse
10/25/21 5:40am
He also went to the dorms to beg students to attend. Steve did a great job.
TempeCoug
10/25/21 6:46am
Asking the question and it being likely are very very different things.
HONOMO
10/25/21 7:34am
Point well made.
wilsdad
10/25/21 8:15am
Just because someone else could have done the job doesn’t mean we can’t give
ColonelMustard
10/25/21 9:28am
Giving credit ≠ hero worship.
wilsdad
10/25/21 1:18pm
I don’t consider him a hero, but I’m
ColonelMustard
10/25/21 5:33pm
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All-American
10/25/21 8:28am
I know exactly the BYU speech you are talking about, thanks for reminding me
SSCoug15
10/25/21 9:13am
Great points. Look at all the programs who’ve gone to 💩 after losing a great HC
GeraldGarner
10/25/21 9:26am
Neither team needed "saving". They both had been through rocky periods and...
icecougar
10/25/21 10:19am
Bronco inherited a lot of talent, whereas Cleveland did not
donnerstag
10/25/21 6:07am
It was 2005 where Bronco was genius.
Carnac
10/25/21 6:39am
The schedule was just flat easier in 2005 than 2004
donnerstag
10/25/21 8:00am
"If's" are not worth bringing up, "If" Curtis Brown
kooogar
10/25/21 8:09am
That TCU game still makes me so mad, 16 years later...
Carnac
10/25/21 8:10am
Was so frustrating, seems like we got a bad call at the end at home also.
kooogar
10/25/21 8:22am
100%
icecougar
10/25/21 10:13am
Disagree. 2004 team learned plenty about winning as a very young team playing...
icecougar
10/25/21 9:59am
Gotta learn to win sometimes. Our guys didn't know how.
Carnac
10/25/21 10:07am
They had been learning. I do agree that they were still maturing..
icecougar
10/25/21 11:48am
I was at that UNM game.
bad84cougar
10/25/21 8:31pm
I will forever appreciate Bronco
Carnac
10/25/21 6:32am
Cleveland was amazing
(Private)
10/25/21 6:38am
Cleveland IS amazing--everything I hear about him is that
Carnac
10/25/21 6:43am
We forget how insanely difficult the schedules were in the Crowton era
krindorr
10/25/21 6:55am
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chilawcoug
10/25/21 7:12am
It's true but he was .500 in conference play those last few years which
kooogar
10/25/21 8:26am
Very true. Along with the fact that our QBs were constantly hurt. Lotsa bad luck
Parker Schnabel
10/25/21 5:25pm
No. Many programs with good infrastructure have crashed and never recovered.
shoganai
10/25/21 7:11am
You make it sound like we could just plug any coach and it would have rebounded.
Metallicat
10/25/21 7:16am
Any coach? Of course not. Was Bronco the only coach who could have had success?
HONOMO
10/25/21 7:44am
Nobody said “no other coaches could have done it.” But the OP makes it sound
Metallicat
10/25/21 8:44am
I gotcha. I agree with everything you said.
HONOMO
10/25/21 8:47am
FSU, Nebraska, Texas, and Tennessee have been changing coaches like crazy and it
thewaterboy
10/25/21 7:46am
It is pretty crazy he was able to hit the ground running and have only winning
HONOMO
10/25/21 7:53am
Miami
kooogar
10/25/21 8:28am
Also true
thewaterboy
10/25/21 8:48am
Gotta give credit where credit is due. Cleveland and Bronco did great work
BlooCoog
10/25/21 7:23am
No kidding. Whoever saves FSU or Nebraska is going to be praised.
(Private)
10/25/21 8:28am
Think about the parallels between Utah basketball and BYU football
krindorr
10/25/21 7:49am
Cleveland took over a 1 win team and was in the NIT by his 3rd season, NCAA by
thewaterboy
10/25/21 7:56am
Also, it was harder back then to flip teams than compared to now since the
TempeCoug
10/25/21 8:57am
And in his prime, he didn’t lose at home
stoils
10/25/21 11:21am
“Not trying to discredit either one” 😂… that is exactly what you are doing
Pretorian
10/25/21 8:25am
No. Multiple BOT members were openly asking if BYU really needed football.
All-American
10/25/21 8:28am
Sincerely, Nebraska
Johnny Vatos
10/25/21 8:50am
Nebraska kind of makes sense. Texas is the one where I'm like.... what?
HONOMO
10/25/21 9:08am
No.
nova_coug_fan
10/25/21 9:16am
They were both needed and both of them rescued programs in serious trouble
nybyblue
10/25/21 9:24am
no
ColoSpgs
10/25/21 9:31am
BOT was on the verge of cancelling the program. Bronco ran a clean
coolblue
10/25/21 10:25am
They both needed to be brought back quickly to preserve the fan base. And that's what they did. Time was of the essence.
lightmann
10/25/21 10:36am
No we don't overstate Bronco's rescue job. Just take a look at UVA's program
greatbam
10/25/21 11:34am
Went from dumpster fire to bowl eligible 5 out of 6 years
GeraldGarner
10/26/21 9:43am
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