Honestly, I think most of the negativity was from within not from without.

May 17, 2017
12:47:10pm

Bert609 All-American

Fans talk. They talk in Jr. Jazz. They talk in 8th grade. They talk in JV. They talk in Varsity.

There were obvious issues with chemistry on this years squad, I never thought BYU fans and the ROC were an issue at all.

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I don't have an answer for this one, but how much of Mika leaving was because

gwalker

5/17/17 11:58am

Zero. Zero is how much of his leaving was because of fan criticism.

No touching

5/17/17 12:01pm

Coach Cleve mentioned he didn't think Eric had a lot of fun this year

gmj81

5/17/17 12:05pm

Didn't like the chemistry?

No touching

5/17/17 12:08pm

If he wasn't having fun. . .

Brigham

5/17/17 12:09pm

From his perspective, what could there not have been to like?

gmj81

5/17/17 12:17pm

Maybe he didn't like the lack of effort he saw from some teammates on...

icecougar

5/20/17 12:20pm

Why does him not having fun translate to fan criticism?

BYUheaven

5/17/17 12:11pm

I don't think I'm reading too much into this:

gmj81

5/17/17 12:14pm

RE: I don't think I'm reading too much into this:

kbufcoug

5/17/17 3:16pm

It's not the first time Cleveland has commented about the negativity outside the program

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:29pm

Agree this, but how can you say with such certainty?

CLCougar

5/17/17 12:09pm

It's naive to think that fan criticisms didn't negatively impact his experience

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:16pm

Was anybody ripping on Mika? Mika was really the only untouchable consistent

Bert609

5/17/17 12:32pm

Do you like working in a negative environment even if you're not the one

gmj81

5/17/17 12:36pm

I had a psycho boss that was regularly yelling at my co-workers. Her office was right next to mine

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:45pm

BYU fans were incredibly mild considering the product on the court this year.

Bert609

5/17/17 12:47pm

Agreed

Cougstreak

5/17/17 3:44pm

Honestly, I think most of the negativity was from within not from without.

Bert609

5/17/17 12:47pm

At times. I even said the offense could stagnate when the ball went to him in

gwalker

5/17/17 12:37pm

It would take a guy with pretty thin skin to be bothered by that...

icecougar

5/20/17 12:30pm

And what's the basis of this thought?

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:47pm

Zero is a possibility. But you seem awfully sure when there's plenty of room to

gwalker

5/17/17 12:18pm

Zero

Big Daddy D

5/17/17 12:02pm

Zip, not even a remote possibility he considered that.

Cougar TD

5/17/17 12:04pm

Not even a remote possibility. I'm going to pass out from laughing.

gwalker

5/17/17 12:20pm

Im just joining in on making absolute statements that none of us can know about.

Cougar TD

5/17/17 12:48pm

Only on a message board of fans overestimating their impact on anything and

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:40pm

I disagree. I doubt it was the major factor. And I agree it may well not have

gwalker

5/17/17 12:44pm

Like I said, of course people on here would think so.

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:51pm

I didn't say anything about this board in particular. I said "fans."

gwalker

5/17/17 1:02pm

So if it was 1%, is the point still just to say "it mattered?"

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 1:06pm

Maybe so. My question was a question. I wasn't drawing any conclusions

gwalker

5/17/17 1:09pm

Ain't that the truth

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 1:14pm

98%...the chance to make $1,000,000 was the other 2%

84 Grad

5/17/17 1:02pm

He got paid to get a college education.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/17/17 3:11pm

considering he's an academic all american I would assume he would have had a

thebruce

5/20/17 8:01am

I am sure NBA fans will be very nice and cordial.

Cougstreak

5/17/17 3:43pm

You obviously didn't read my post.

gwalker

5/18/17 12:05am

I did and the point is the same regardless if he is get paid.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 5:27am

Then you missed where I said exactly what you said and then acted like it

gwalker

5/18/17 10:14am

Not sure I agree.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 10:22am

The UVU game was a total blast...until those darn fans ruined all the fun!

Roko's Basilisk

5/17/17 5:38pm

Another who didn't read my post.

gwalker

5/18/17 12:05am

I read it. You suggested that the lack of fun might be attributable to fans

Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 8:20am

You oversimplified dramatically. Of course, not winning as much as expected

gwalker

5/18/17 10:17am

Nah, simplified just the right amount, I'd say.

Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 12:12pm

Open your eyes and pay attention. You're arguing with what you prematurely

gwalker

5/19/17 11:44pm

Oh brother. Okay, I'll restate my position as a response to your exact words:

Roko's Basilisk

5/20/17 1:01am

"fun and care free days of college" and being a D1 athlete do not apply.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 12:21pm

I don't think he was scared off. I don't think he left as a middle finger to

gwalker

5/19/17 11:49pm

Mika is a fiery guy. He doesn't care what the fans say.

Harrison0Yfan

5/17/17 6:30pm

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Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 12:00pm

0%. I think he's a lot tougher mentally than the CB snowflake posse

byuTX

5/20/17 6:11am

He sat out a year of HS to play for LP. I'm not surprised he left early.

Y4LYFE

5/20/17 7:37am

Have you watched much 2A High School basketball?

2ndTrombone

5/20/17 10:39am

I would hope none, otherwise he won't last a minute in the NBA

Real Men Wear Blue

5/20/17 9:56am

If that had any impact then playing high level sports isn't for him

LifelongAP

5/20/17 10:15am

Thanks for bringing this up. I think we BYU fans should be more responsible, even on here, but it's a tough

ocmyhome

5/20/17 11:27am

0. 0% of his decision to leave

Paul Hewson

5/20/17 12:14pm

Circaman12

5/20/17 3:01pm

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