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gwalker

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I don't have an answer for this one, but how much of Mika leaving was because

gwalker

5/17/17 11:58am

Zero. Zero is how much of his leaving was because of fan criticism.

No touching

5/17/17 12:01pm

Coach Cleve mentioned he didn't think Eric had a lot of fun this year

gmj81

5/17/17 12:05pm

Didn't like the chemistry?

No touching

5/17/17 12:08pm

If he wasn't having fun. . .

Brigham

5/17/17 12:09pm

From his perspective, what could there not have been to like?

gmj81

5/17/17 12:17pm

Maybe he didn't like the lack of effort he saw from some teammates on...

icecougar

5/20/17 12:20pm

Why does him not having fun translate to fan criticism?

BYUheaven

5/17/17 12:11pm

I don't think I'm reading too much into this:

gmj81

5/17/17 12:14pm

RE: I don't think I'm reading too much into this:

kbufcoug

5/17/17 3:16pm

It's not the first time Cleveland has commented about the negativity outside the program

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:29pm

Agree this, but how can you say with such certainty?

CLCougar

5/17/17 12:09pm

It's naive to think that fan criticisms didn't negatively impact his experience

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:16pm

Was anybody ripping on Mika? Mika was really the only untouchable consistent

Bert609

5/17/17 12:32pm

Do you like working in a negative environment even if you're not the one

gmj81

5/17/17 12:36pm

I had a psycho boss that was regularly yelling at my co-workers. Her office was right next to mine

Indy Coug

5/17/17 12:45pm

BYU fans were incredibly mild considering the product on the court this year.

Bert609

5/17/17 12:47pm

Agreed

Cougstreak

5/17/17 3:44pm

Honestly, I think most of the negativity was from within not from without.

Bert609

5/17/17 12:47pm

At times. I even said the offense could stagnate when the ball went to him in

gwalker

5/17/17 12:37pm

It would take a guy with pretty thin skin to be bothered by that...

icecougar

5/20/17 12:30pm

And what's the basis of this thought?

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:47pm

Zero is a possibility. But you seem awfully sure when there's plenty of room to

gwalker

5/17/17 12:18pm

Zero

Big Daddy D

5/17/17 12:02pm

Zip, not even a remote possibility he considered that.

Cougar TD

5/17/17 12:04pm

Not even a remote possibility. I'm going to pass out from laughing.

gwalker

5/17/17 12:20pm

Im just joining in on making absolute statements that none of us can know about.

Cougar TD

5/17/17 12:48pm

Only on a message board of fans overestimating their impact on anything and

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:40pm

I disagree. I doubt it was the major factor. And I agree it may well not have

gwalker

5/17/17 12:44pm

Like I said, of course people on here would think so.

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 12:51pm

I didn't say anything about this board in particular. I said "fans."

gwalker

5/17/17 1:02pm

So if it was 1%, is the point still just to say "it mattered?"

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 1:06pm

Maybe so. My question was a question. I wasn't drawing any conclusions

gwalker

5/17/17 1:09pm

Ain't that the truth

Lip Gallagher

5/17/17 1:14pm

98%...the chance to make $1,000,000 was the other 2%

84 Grad

5/17/17 1:02pm

He got paid to get a college education.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/17/17 3:11pm

considering he's an academic all american I would assume he would have had a

thebruce

5/20/17 8:01am

I am sure NBA fans will be very nice and cordial.

Cougstreak

5/17/17 3:43pm

You obviously didn't read my post.

gwalker

5/18/17 12:05am

I did and the point is the same regardless if he is get paid.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 5:27am

Then you missed where I said exactly what you said and then acted like it

gwalker

5/18/17 10:14am

Not sure I agree.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 10:22am

The UVU game was a total blast...until those darn fans ruined all the fun!

Roko's Basilisk

5/17/17 5:38pm

Another who didn't read my post.

gwalker

5/18/17 12:05am

I read it. You suggested that the lack of fun might be attributable to fans

Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 8:20am

You oversimplified dramatically. Of course, not winning as much as expected

gwalker

5/18/17 10:17am

Nah, simplified just the right amount, I'd say.

Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 12:12pm

Open your eyes and pay attention. You're arguing with what you prematurely

gwalker

5/19/17 11:44pm

Oh brother. Okay, I'll restate my position as a response to your exact words:

Roko's Basilisk

5/20/17 1:01am

"fun and care free days of college" and being a D1 athlete do not apply.

Cougstreak

5/18/17 12:21pm

I don't think he was scared off. I don't think he left as a middle finger to

gwalker

5/19/17 11:49pm

Mika is a fiery guy. He doesn't care what the fans say.

Harrison0Yfan

5/17/17 6:30pm

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Roko's Basilisk

5/18/17 12:00pm

0%. I think he's a lot tougher mentally than the CB snowflake posse

byuTX

5/20/17 6:11am

He sat out a year of HS to play for LP. I'm not surprised he left early.

Y4LYFE

5/20/17 7:37am

Have you watched much 2A High School basketball?

2ndTrombone

5/20/17 10:39am

I would hope none, otherwise he won't last a minute in the NBA

Real Men Wear Blue

5/20/17 9:56am

If that had any impact then playing high level sports isn't for him

LifelongAP

5/20/17 10:15am

Thanks for bringing this up. I think we BYU fans should be more responsible, even on here, but it's a tough

ocmyhome

5/20/17 11:27am

0. 0% of his decision to leave

Paul Hewson

5/20/17 12:14pm

Circaman12

5/20/17 3:01pm

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