The evidence doesn't back you up. Sagarin says otherwise

Not a fan of the up 20 on Utah thing. In fact, that makes it even worse that

Resurgens

12/16/18 4:49pm

Did he make an excuse for losing that game?

SUAVO

12/16/18 4:57pm

Would it make you happy if I said "indefensible" instead?

Resurgens

12/16/18 4:59pm

Did he defend it? It's obvious that poor coaching went on in the 2nd half of

SUAVO

12/16/18 5:02pm

I see where you're coming from, guess I'm just feeling discordant between

Resurgens

12/16/18 5:06pm

Completely disagree...

CoachSpeak

12/16/18 5:09pm

He said his favorite "part". Not his favorite game or favorite

SUAVO

12/16/18 5:28pm

Favorite part and favorite moment are pretty much the same thing....

CoachSpeak

12/16/18 5:37pm

That lead was something that hasn't happened since 1996. And of course,

SUAVO

12/16/18 6:24pm

When there was also a road win against the no. 6 team that no one gave you

Y05

12/16/18 6:28pm

You realize that lead kind of lead hasn't happened since 1996? We haven't won

SUAVO

12/16/18 6:32pm

Yes, very much so.

Y05

12/16/18 6:36pm

I agree, wisconsin was better, but I can't refute his opinion. Just saying that

SUAVO

12/16/18 7:10pm

Heads in the Clouds

Aiga

12/16/18 10:42pm

I didn't even mention Kalani...

CoachSpeak

12/17/18 8:37am

So now we celebrate quarters and a half and not games?

whiteninja

12/16/18 5:42pm

It's kind of like celebrating first down in losing seasons. Take what you can.

crazY

12/16/18 5:49pm

Now you can't like anything unless it ends in a win?

SUAVO

12/16/18 7:39pm

When it comes to sports yes...the goals are to win the game not half.

whiteninja

12/16/18 7:52pm

You're making some real strange arguments trying to justify a crappy season.

crazY

12/16/18 8:02pm

LOL! Nobody is justifying anything other than Holmoe can "like" a half of

SUAVO

12/16/18 8:07pm

Like =/= best

Y05

12/16/18 8:15pm

ok, so holmoe can't have an opinion? Even if we don't think the 1st half against

SUAVO

12/16/18 8:22pm

Yes, he can, however terrible they might be.

messi

12/16/18 9:32pm

If you dont like COMPETITIVE sports, the Theater dept. is the place for you

Iki_Balam

12/17/18 11:14am

Hopefully, you were never involved in youth sports.

Benfica1

12/17/18 11:35am

...is there anything competitive about youth sports?

Iki_Balam

12/17/18 12:48pm

Why?

CoachSpeak

12/17/18 12:52pm

Me neither. Are we all about moral victories now?

eddog

12/16/18 5:11pm

Is it better or worse that we built a 27-7 lead late in the 3rd quarter?

YIsForBrigham

12/16/18 5:22pm

Even worse...

CoachSpeak

12/16/18 5:25pm

This is exactly why you should run up the score.

Y2k

12/16/18 7:56pm

Much, much worse.

Mattattack159

12/17/18 2:07pm

We beat Wisconsin at Wisconsin! How is that not the obvious high point in 2018?

thecthdox

12/17/18 10:12am

Naw man. Our leaders think that was terrific.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/17/18 4:16pm

I guess you could start cheering for another team.

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 4:57pm

RE: I guess you could start cheering for another team.

777

12/16/18 5:02pm

This is the last thing BYU fans should be saying to each other

Resurgens

12/16/18 5:02pm

RE: I guess you could start cheering for another team.

messi

12/16/18 5:09pm

The sad part is this is now what the fanbase accepts...mediocrity and moral wins

whiteninja

12/16/18 5:44pm

RE: I guess you could start cheering for another team.

byuluvr

12/16/18 5:46pm

So just be bandwagon fans? Cheer for the team that wins. When they stop find

Y05

12/16/18 6:32pm

I mean I’m going to Cheer for BYU no matter what but you guys can.

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 6:33pm

I'll always be a BYU fan, but at this rate, I'm done wasting my money & time

Iki_Balam

12/17/18 11:16am

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franklyvulgar

12/17/18 12:00am

How in any way is this a logical response?

Mr Blue

12/17/18 7:20am

The champion's culture he's referring to is part deficiencies in Bronco's system

donnerstag

12/16/18 5:00pm

Nope, nope, nope.

crazY

12/16/18 5:06pm

RE: Nope, nope, nope.

Lip Gallagher

12/16/18 5:10pm

How is his post, Nope, nope, nope.” I think most of what he said

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 5:12pm

99 wins in 11 years. 11 bowl games. 6-5 in those bowls. 22 players in the NFL

777

12/16/18 5:11pm

With most of those wins against MWC teams. If you want that kind of record again

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 5:13pm

8-5, 8-5, 8-5, 9-4 against a tough INDY schedule. That's a third of his wins.

777

12/16/18 5:15pm

It was an alright schedule.

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 5:24pm

You're trying to convince "pessimisticCB". Most people know BM did a nice job

PGrovecoug

12/16/18 5:40pm

My name is PessimisticCB not because I am Pessimistic about BYU

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 5:52pm

That 9-4 was 3 flip a coin passes away from 6-7.

CarolinaCoug

12/17/18 11:46pm

As well as a lot of the wins came before the college football arms race started.

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 5:14pm

I think the arms race is the biggest problem for BYU. And why going back to a

Resurgens

12/16/18 6:30pm

Well said. I agree.

PessimisticCB

12/16/18 6:34pm

Luck. As I've said several times, if QBs stay healthy

Y05

12/16/18 6:42pm

I dont see that happening. We've missed out boat and put ourselves in a bad spot

Iki_Balam

12/17/18 11:26am

This is my concern as well.

Resurgens

12/17/18 4:33pm

From 2006-2016, BYU had 10 players drafted

donnerstag

12/16/18 5:16pm

So he was flawless and nothing at all needed to be tweaked?

Lip Gallagher

12/16/18 5:18pm

If 9-4 as an INDY isn't good enough, and we want to be 11-2, then yes, but we

777

12/16/18 5:23pm

This is booster propaganda. Should take a different tone for a mainstream media

Y05

12/16/18 6:45pm

This is such a load.

YSMACK

12/16/18 8:51pm

2. Is completely false, but the rest is pretty accurate.

akmewg

12/16/18 9:07pm

Point #2 shows your ignorance on how he ran a program. Ask Shaun Nua

TheLoneCougar

12/17/18 7:44am

Actually, it's well documented that Bronco didn't care one iota about

donnerstag

12/17/18 9:18am

Garbage.

YSMACK

12/17/18 9:43am

Wrong. There was a couple seasons this was true

donnerstag

12/17/18 10:54am

Can you provide a link?

gmj81

12/17/18 11:24am

Okay, now I know you just have an axe to grind.

777

12/17/18 4:25pm

You were expecting Holmoe to publicly trash him? C'mon man. That helps nobody.

Roko's Basilisk

12/16/18 5:23pm

He doesn't need to say anything publicly.

777

12/16/18 5:25pm

He's trying to sell the idea that Kalani is turning things around. Doesn't

Roko's Basilisk

12/16/18 5:30pm

uh ... there is NO way he can just say nothing.

ManicBlue

12/16/18 8:57pm

And then the newspaper article “Holmoe silent on BYU issues”

sidsie716

12/16/18 9:44pm

Of course not, he shouldn’t do that...

CoachSpeak

12/16/18 5:28pm

Not one mention of the win at #6 Wisconsin. That was the highlight. Him trying

777

12/16/18 5:34pm

Of all CB posters, I'd expect you to not take his comments too seriously. It's

Roko's Basilisk

12/16/18 5:34pm

I take it seriously because he believes it...

CoachSpeak

12/16/18 5:42pm

Tom must go

USMCdad

12/16/18 5:28pm

He’s been so damaging that BYU will likely never recover.

rainorsnow

12/16/18 5:40pm

😂, yep.... just toss the towel in bro.. it’s all over

Pretorian

12/16/18 6:08pm

I don't know about that, but if the trajectory doesn't change I see this being

Resurgens

12/16/18 6:22pm

Isn't the trajectory going up? 4 wins in 2017, 6/7 wins in 2018.

Benfica1

12/16/18 6:38pm

I suppose on paper it would, but you have to look at the context

Resurgens

12/16/18 6:44pm

Good question. Boardmail Northen Illinois and ask them.

SJS

12/16/18 6:45pm

BYU passes the eye test... they are getting better.

Benfica1

12/16/18 6:48pm

Being in the game and winning the game are two different things. These coaches

crazY

12/16/18 8:22pm

Really? Mind blown.

Benfica1

12/17/18 7:48am

RE: He’s been so damaging that BYU will likely never recover.

SUAVO

12/16/18 6:27pm

We are not playing a Mountain West schedule anymore.

tawillin

12/16/18 5:33pm

RE: We are not playing a Mountain West schedule anymore.

777

12/16/18 5:34pm

Bronco and Crowton had better W/L against tougher schedules.

ataylor

12/16/18 5:50pm

The schedules are alot more difficult now playing 4 p5 in a row. Other teams

tawillin

12/16/18 6:05pm

The evidence doesn't back you up. Sagarin says otherwise

gmj81

12/16/18 6:09pm

Sorry, that’s just not true.

ataylor

12/16/18 7:33pm

And it's a very unrealistic idea that BYU can handle the schedule that is being made...

Coug

12/16/18 6:09pm

Sucks that Kalani is 6-6 vs the MWC

TEXAS

12/16/18 6:19pm

A MWC that doesn’t even include Utah and TCU

rainorsnow

12/16/18 6:34pm

RE: A MWC that doesn’t even include Utah and TCU

TEXAS

12/16/18 6:54pm

Yikes

ataylor

12/16/18 5:47pm

Tom has reached the point where they are now making up success...

Coug

12/16/18 6:06pm

TNT would say Holmoe needs to go but that's probably not happening

TNT

12/16/18 6:12pm

What else do you expect him to say?

NewMexiCoug

12/16/18 6:34pm

RE: What else do you expect him to say?

70'sCougar

12/16/18 7:24pm

Heck, lose the mediocrity part too. "We expect more from our program."

Resurgens

12/16/18 8:01pm

RE: That Holmoe article is disturbing on many levels....

blu76

12/16/18 6:56pm

Did you read the article? He said the program isn’t where it needs to be.

andrewg3

12/16/18 7:20pm

RE: That Holmoe article is disturbing on many levels....

70'sCougar

12/16/18 7:22pm

Holmoe is a BYU "sacred cow". That is why he was hired and also why he...

k2coug

12/16/18 7:34pm

If you remember...Holmoe hired himself...

tjngirlz

12/16/18 8:18pm

When I joined CougarBoard years ago it was ..

The Natural

12/16/18 8:06pm

I think this is exactly what he should be saying now.

tony

12/16/18 8:44pm

*9-4

777

12/16/18 8:52pm

Everyone always talk about ceilings like it's a fact that Kalani's is higher

gmj81

12/16/18 8:56pm

We fired Crowton after the third straight losing season. I don’t

gwalker

12/16/18 9:27pm

He is doing his job. BYU is committed to this staff for 2019 and needs to be

Thrill

12/16/18 9:44pm

And... word on the street: it’s recruiting season... OPoster may notta got that

ZooBlue

12/16/18 10:29pm

Kalani deserves the same extension that Dave "Mediocre" Rose just received.

Rocketman

12/16/18 10:35pm

Except that Rose has actually had success even if not lately

gmj81

12/16/18 10:38pm

Mediocre 7 years in a row says enough.

Rocketman

12/16/18 10:41pm

It really shouldn’t surprise any fan who’s been paying attention.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/16/18 9:48pm

It's a case study in cognitive dissonance.

ElCapo

12/16/18 10:38pm

Calm yourself.

GOR

12/16/18 11:36pm

Agree 100% with everythjng I said. Weird article

cougfanz

12/17/18 1:55am

too many drama queens around here

palangi

12/17/18 8:03am

It’s not Holmoe, it’s CB. Before CB= total domination

Solomon Levi

12/17/18 8:47am

No one is championing Kalani as anything. Everybody know the situation:

canofpicante

12/17/18 8:54am

I disagree. Holmoe is clearly championing Sitake.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/17/18 9:27am

He has to. Holmoe's pick of Ty Detmer was miserable and this is his last chance

Iki_Balam

12/17/18 11:27am

Ok. He’s saying we were off track at 3-8 and now on a upward trajectory.

canofpicante

12/17/18 3:56pm

Toooootally agree. Absolutely, 100% agree with everything you said.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/17/18 9:31am

Indy was never intended to be permanent either that miscalculation is on Tom

franklyvulgar

12/17/18 12:32pm

I think it has been pretty clear for a while now that Tom probably needs to go.

Mattattack159

12/17/18 2:29pm

This board is supposed to be generally positive

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/17/18 2:49pm

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