I understand this.

Jan 8, 2019
1:36:37pm

Carnac All-American

I understand this.

Call me a terrible person, but a disproportionate percentage of the uninsured bring a relatively high percentage of self-inflicted health problems into the pool.

So things just get worse.

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Carnac

Previous username: Carnac el Magnifico
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Time

Universal Healthcare is fine with me IF

Carnac

1/8/19 11:41am

Lol. “I don’t want single payer, but if we have to do it, can we at least take away everyone’s individual liberty

Pimpin4Paradise

1/8/19 11:44am

Don't miss my point, here

Carnac

1/8/19 11:46am

I’m actually in favor of single payer at this point.

Pimpin4Paradise

1/8/19 11:54am

And a certain percentage of our country

Carnac

1/8/19 11:57am

Unlikely to get knee replacement with BMI > 40 HbA1C > 7.8, tobacco or on

Osteotome

1/8/19 12:03pm

This would actually motivate me to get into great shape and stay that way.

SolidBlue

1/8/19 12:41pm

Why BMI? Don't incentivize against heavy weight lifting. Use body fat % instead

Extra Biscuits

1/8/19 12:46pm

Penalizing your type for steroid use.

Carnac

1/8/19 12:47pm

At least you won't have to pay for us to have kids

Extra Biscuits

1/8/19 12:50pm

He makes a good point. Don't take my liberty to not pay for your bad decisions

TailgateU

1/8/19 12:34pm

I'm ok with single payer health care as long as there are heavy fees/fines for

Powerbait DPM studnt

1/9/19 1:05pm

Problem is you’re already paying for it

cougfanz

1/8/19 11:44am

I know. It would only get worse.

Carnac

1/8/19 11:45am

Kind of. The thing with single payer would be cost control is 100x more effectiv

cougfanz

1/8/19 11:53am

Exactly. Why are we trying to be the UK?

Carnac

1/8/19 11:54am

We actually are getting closer than people realize to resource control

cougfanz

1/8/19 12:03pm

RE: Universal Healthcare is fine with me IF

maxpowers

1/8/19 11:47am

Problem is we already have it

Acorn

1/8/19 11:54am

So many would oppose on the grounds of individual liberties infringements; but

unctoothman

1/8/19 12:07pm

We pretty much have a degree of universal healthcare now. You just have to quit

Little Britches

1/8/19 12:16pm

Quitting your job is not going to allow you to go on Obamacare.

CDV

1/8/19 12:34pm

Yes, Medicaid the first year and then Obamacare after

Little Britches

1/8/19 1:51pm

Nope. If you quit your job and have no income you will never ever ever be eligible for an Obamacare policy.

CDV

1/8/19 2:29pm

LOL! All these types of poor behaviors already exist in your insurance 🙂

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 1:33pm

I understand this.

Carnac

1/8/19 1:36pm

Exactly. The old saying "Few apples ruin the bunch".

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 2:52pm

That's the point behind universal healthcare

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 3:06pm

THat's it! Iki has it right - you're already paying for it in different ways,

jaba166

1/9/19 12:26am

I select healthy pool, don't you?

shuaige

1/8/19 3:34pm

Imagine that’s your employer subsidizing that not the insurance company though

cougfanz

1/8/19 3:41pm

Not for tobacco

shuaige

1/8/19 3:50pm

If by "pay", do you mean not receive as many benefits?

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 7:43pm

No, I mean pay

shuaige

1/8/19 10:03pm

I'd love to see this plan. Especially how to prove someone is a user

Iki_Balam

1/9/19 10:25pm

Some of those behaviors like smoking save the system money

cougfanz

1/8/19 2:41pm

It’s not the nejm but this Forbes article hits on these points

cougfanz

1/8/19 2:57pm

thanks for sharing, didn't realize that

shuaige

1/8/19 3:55pm

Key is a two tier system like Germany. VA for everyone with basic care and no

cougfanz

1/8/19 4:15pm

I'd be down.

Slim

1/8/19 4:53pm

That’s how I think it should work. Crappy cheap everything with minimum service

Y2k

1/8/19 8:02pm

From what I've heard, the German system is pretty good and actually much closer

ArchbishopMitty

1/9/19 12:44pm

Do you think that will make the health care industry businesses want less money?

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