No, I mean pay

Jan 8, 2019
10:03:46pm

shuaige Starter

No, I mean pay

I have two plan options, tobacco user, non tobacco user. It is more expensive to choose the tobacco user plan. The benefits are the same, just more expensive to smoke (or chew).

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Universal Healthcare is fine with me IF

Carnac

1/8/19 11:41am

Lol. “I don’t want single payer, but if we have to do it, can we at least take away everyone’s individual liberty

Pimpin4Paradise

1/8/19 11:44am

Don't miss my point, here

Carnac

1/8/19 11:46am

I’m actually in favor of single payer at this point.

Pimpin4Paradise

1/8/19 11:54am

And a certain percentage of our country

Carnac

1/8/19 11:57am

Unlikely to get knee replacement with BMI > 40 HbA1C > 7.8, tobacco or on

Osteotome

1/8/19 12:03pm

This would actually motivate me to get into great shape and stay that way.

SolidBlue

1/8/19 12:41pm

Why BMI? Don't incentivize against heavy weight lifting. Use body fat % instead

Extra Biscuits

1/8/19 12:46pm

Penalizing your type for steroid use.

Carnac

1/8/19 12:47pm

At least you won't have to pay for us to have kids

Extra Biscuits

1/8/19 12:50pm

He makes a good point. Don't take my liberty to not pay for your bad decisions

TailgateU

1/8/19 12:34pm

I'm ok with single payer health care as long as there are heavy fees/fines for

Powerbait DPM studnt

1/9/19 1:05pm

Problem is you’re already paying for it

cougfanz

1/8/19 11:44am

I know. It would only get worse.

Carnac

1/8/19 11:45am

Kind of. The thing with single payer would be cost control is 100x more effectiv

cougfanz

1/8/19 11:53am

Exactly. Why are we trying to be the UK?

Carnac

1/8/19 11:54am

We actually are getting closer than people realize to resource control

cougfanz

1/8/19 12:03pm

RE: Universal Healthcare is fine with me IF

maxpowers

1/8/19 11:47am

Problem is we already have it

Acorn

1/8/19 11:54am

So many would oppose on the grounds of individual liberties infringements; but

unctoothman

1/8/19 12:07pm

We pretty much have a degree of universal healthcare now. You just have to quit

Little Britches

1/8/19 12:16pm

Quitting your job is not going to allow you to go on Obamacare.

CDV

1/8/19 12:34pm

Yes, Medicaid the first year and then Obamacare after

Little Britches

1/8/19 1:51pm

Nope. If you quit your job and have no income you will never ever ever be eligible for an Obamacare policy.

CDV

1/8/19 2:29pm

LOL! All these types of poor behaviors already exist in your insurance 🙂

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 1:33pm

I understand this.

Carnac

1/8/19 1:36pm

Exactly. The old saying "Few apples ruin the bunch".

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 2:52pm

That's the point behind universal healthcare

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 3:06pm

THat's it! Iki has it right - you're already paying for it in different ways,

jaba166

1/9/19 12:26am

I select healthy pool, don't you?

shuaige

1/8/19 3:34pm

Imagine that’s your employer subsidizing that not the insurance company though

cougfanz

1/8/19 3:41pm

Not for tobacco

shuaige

1/8/19 3:50pm

If by "pay", do you mean not receive as many benefits?

Iki_Balam

1/8/19 7:43pm

No, I mean pay

shuaige

1/8/19 10:03pm

I'd love to see this plan. Especially how to prove someone is a user

Iki_Balam

1/9/19 10:25pm

Some of those behaviors like smoking save the system money

cougfanz

1/8/19 2:41pm

It’s not the nejm but this Forbes article hits on these points

cougfanz

1/8/19 2:57pm

thanks for sharing, didn't realize that

shuaige

1/8/19 3:55pm

Key is a two tier system like Germany. VA for everyone with basic care and no

cougfanz

1/8/19 4:15pm

I'd be down.

Slim

1/8/19 4:53pm

That’s how I think it should work. Crappy cheap everything with minimum service

Y2k

1/8/19 8:02pm

From what I've heard, the German system is pretty good and actually much closer

ArchbishopMitty

1/9/19 12:44pm

Do you think that will make the health care industry businesses want less money?

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