I didn't propose the analogy. But what child "wants" a shot?

Feb 18, 2019
11:11:45am

Orem58thBall Contributor

No child younger than 5 (usually about 12) chooses to get vaxxed.
Sorry. I need to step out of this time sink.
I'm all for vaxxing. But I'm against forcing families to do it. Parents rights need to be respected.

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I'm tired of all the vaccine jabs at those who choose a different schedule or

digblue

2/18/19 12:03am

True. Mommy blogs give much better advice than doctors.

TCuz

2/18/19 12:37am

Man, it’s like you made a greatest hits list of all anti-vaxxers worst arguments. Good job.

TCuz

2/18/19 12:38am

So what arguments are the worst?

digblue

2/18/19 12:45am

Here’s a list of bad points from your OP:

TCuz

2/18/19 12:50am

You counting on herd immunity makes you a hypocrite.

Tsisquan

2/18/19 10:32am

I think digblue is a doctor. May be remembering wrong.

SuperTank

2/18/19 12:39am

What are you talking about?

digblue

2/18/19 12:39am

Anti-vaccine, pro-child death/disease. Same thing.

TCuz

2/18/19 12:42am

How is smart scientific based immunization

digblue

2/18/19 12:49am

'scientific based' LITERALLY opposes the scientific consensus

Dissenter

2/18/19 5:46am

Why does the church have an immunization division?

civilcoug

2/18/19 2:42pm

Sigh....

Agnostic-alumni

2/18/19 12:41am

Have you even read your Physiology text book?

digblue

2/18/19 12:59am

Unfortunately your response was predictable, I have heard these arguments ad

Agnostic-alumni

2/18/19 1:30am

I believe I am very right that Hepatitis B is a Sexually, body fluid exposure

digblue

2/18/19 1:42am

“The virus is transmitted by exposure to infectious blood or body fluids.

chilango

2/18/19 6:29am

<< Deleted >>

kapcreations

2/18/19 3:10pm

Your #4 is pure stupidity, promoted by mommy bloggers. That's really who you go to for your info?

jdub

2/18/19 1:39am

Your #4 completely invalidates your opinion. Do some actual research using

Byron McNertney

2/18/19 5:27am

The sad thing is he knows why people aren't taking him seriously, but he's...

COACHdrn

2/18/19 7:06am

Slow down there keyboard warrior. His kids ARE vaccinated.

LCcoug

2/18/19 7:22am

Hopefully they're fine. But vaccine schedules are arranged for optimal efficacy

SJS

2/18/19 7:46am

<< Deleted >>

memento

2/18/19 7:51am

What’s worse, altered vaccine schedule or no vaccines?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:38pm

He claims his schedule is "more scientific". Malarkey. His schedule is based on

AggieWeekendCougar

2/18/19 8:22am

I agree that he's not a complete fool but he is a partial fool

Agnostic-alumni

2/18/19 4:48pm

#4......

kotacoug

2/18/19 8:56am

Umm.. you don't think measles is deadly?

Lalau

2/18/19 11:26am

Unfortunately, I don't think you can change the mind of these people.

civilcoug

2/18/19 2:36pm

What are the “risks” of the vaccines that you’re referring to? The autism study

Extra Biscuits

2/18/19 12:53am

Look at the WHO (World Health Organization) list of adverse events of

digblue

2/18/19 1:01am

But are you prepared to say that those infrequent occurrences are worse than the

Extra Biscuits

2/18/19 1:07am

I would say with chickenpox it is a crap shoot.

digblue

2/18/19 1:22am

As one who barely survived chickenpox as a kid..

CougarThug

2/18/19 8:07am

So i have extended famimy..who barely surviced their vaccines

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 2:42pm

Actually, I know. And they’re wrong.

SJS

2/18/19 2:50pm

Okay. Let’s run the numbers.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:45am

Do you understand the odds of vaccine related injuries?

TCuz

2/18/19 1:09am

yeah you're right I obviously don't understand risk, weighted risk, at risk

digblue

2/18/19 1:29am

RE: yeah you're right I obviously don't understand risk, weighted risk, at risk

chilango

2/18/19 6:40am

Despite this sarcastic post, nothing in this thread suggests you do understand.

Byron McNertney

2/18/19 7:52am

Didnt i ask you what are the rate right now of a non vacciated person getting

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 2:44pm

Okay, I looked it up and here’s what it said:

Extra Biscuits

2/18/19 1:12am

I know isn't that such a great line.

digblue

2/18/19 1:34am

And yet, you tried to cite them.

IndianaCoug

2/18/19 6:16am

That’s because when you learn what constitutes good research, it changes your

Extra Biscuits

2/18/19 2:12pm

Hov va cone seems to be a bit riskier. With healthy

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 2:49pm

Cs. Liats sreinger causarion and lists risks ar 1 i. Million for some

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 2:46pm

Come on man work with us here. A few letters out of place? We can still read it

Martin Van Nostrand

2/18/19 3:06pm

I'm pretty sure he said C.S. Lewis was chemically castrated from taking vaccines

Scratch

2/18/19 3:11pm

One child too many? I personally have allergies to certain antibiotics.

theOnceler

2/18/19 6:05am

Or that your experience is reason for others to refuse antibiotics

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:47am

Thank you! In this context, the one child too many statement is complete idiocy.

scootsy

2/18/19 9:52am

#4 is also a pretty bold statement. Are none of these suits due to malpractice?

Extra Biscuits

2/18/19 12:57am

None are due to vaccination!

digblue

2/18/19 1:13am

So what exactly is your beef with the child vaccine act?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:52am

We have the Vaccine Act because of people like OP

Mrs Featerbottom

2/18/19 6:49am

Disagree with herd immunity statement. Why are your children better than mine?

BNcoug

2/18/19 1:42am

Ahhhhh Communism isn't it great.

digblue

2/18/19 1:58am

Your children are not your property. They are human beings. It is not communism

chilango

2/18/19 6:16am

There’s so much wrong with this post with a logical

memento

2/18/19 7:13am

RE: Ahhhhh Communism isn't it great.

joelvandyne

2/18/19 8:43am

Also, few vaccines are 100% effective, so some people can still contract the

chilango

2/18/19 9:03am

Dont you recognize why you feel safe making another choice?

kccougar

2/18/19 9:11am

No one has forced you and there is no gulag.

BNcoug

2/18/19 11:21am

This is the huge key. It's 100% selfish myopia, at best

Crazy Joe Davola

2/18/19 4:02am

If it can be found that a child who wasn’t old enough got polio, etc from

cougarmanguy

2/18/19 6:07am

This is amazing, I vaccinate my children against

digblue

2/18/19 2:07am

Based on the latest up to date information ,

cougarmanguy

2/18/19 6:12am

Do you buy food? Or clothes? Don't you know that makes those companies rich?

COACHdrn

2/18/19 7:55am

The beauty of a post like this

spinner

2/18/19 8:34am

"the latest, up to date information" is not what you've shared in this thread.

Byron McNertney

2/18/19 8:57am

So it’s about corporate greed and money. That’s your beef.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 10:03am

The problem is that you have somehow convinced yourself that you are smarter

Game Changer

2/18/19 4:10am

Honest question about schedules.

LCcoug

2/18/19 7:35am

RE: Honest question about schedules.

Six Foot Seven

2/18/19 7:39am

Nice dodge.

LCcoug

2/18/19 8:08am

I prefer Fordd.

CougarThug

2/18/19 8:17am

Honest answer about schedules

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 10:28am

Welcome to CB.

unctoothman

2/18/19 11:53am

Views like this should be why vaccines should be

memento

2/18/19 5:07am

I think it should be grounds for CPS to intervene

Dissenter

2/18/19 5:50am

Are you for real or is this tic? His kids ARE vaccinated

LCcoug

2/18/19 7:11am

His point #3 indicates he will make a decision

memento

2/18/19 7:15am

LCcoug seems to think that making the same point three times in the thread

Six Foot Seven

2/18/19 7:25am

Nice to know I have a fan club.

LCcoug

2/18/19 8:11am

He is willingly putting his children in danger of contracting deadly diseases

Dissenter

2/18/19 7:51am

Hope you don't eat salt. Didn't you know Chlorine is deadly?

Radioactive Coug

2/18/19 5:39am

And Sodium EXPLODES when exposed to water!

Dissenter

2/18/19 5:49am

100% of people exposed to water have died or will die.

vagabonder

2/18/19 7:04am

False, 3 Nephites and John.

bluecougar1985

2/18/19 9:54am

have you met them?

BYUALWAYSNUM1

2/18/19 5:07pm

I think one of the greatest accomplishments of the 20th century was that we almost

cougarmanguy

2/18/19 6:03am

I heard a funny idea about Monsters Inc. and that the kids were 'deadly' because

Dissenter

2/18/19 6:08am

You seem similar to this guy

HansMoleman

2/18/19 6:13am

Is that Hans?

dadofkhec

2/18/19 9:11am

Would you mind sharing some of your sources?

Medute

2/18/19 6:14am

Primarily Facebook

SJS

2/18/19 6:53am

Jenny McArthy has spent her entire life “researching” this. Her twitter is the only place I need to go.

Pimpin4Paradise

2/18/19 7:57am

RE: Would you mind sharing some of your sources?

oryguncoug

2/18/19 10:36am

So sad. So irresponsible. So unnecessary

PortlandBlue

2/18/19 6:16am

And places tens of thousands of young children at risk

cougarmanguy

2/18/19 6:18am

Haha. His kids are vaccinated or did you not read the OP

LCcoug

2/18/19 7:13am

Not hyperbole at all

cougarmanguy

2/18/19 7:22am

Are you and the other anti-vaxxers taking shifts to keep this thread alive?

SJS

2/18/19 7:48am

Not Anti-Vaxxer. This is like me disagreeing with a Trump Policy and being

LCcoug

2/18/19 8:26am

You repeat anti-vaxxer propaganda and altered your kids immunization schedule. If it walks and talks like a duck...

SJS

2/18/19 8:35am

What Anti-Vaxxer propoganda did I repeat?

LCcoug

2/18/19 8:50am

In the case of vaccines, it’s necessary because you are sharing damaging anti-vaccine rhetoric

TCuz

2/18/19 8:39am

I think you and many others have lowered the bar

LCcoug

2/18/19 8:58am

Isn’t this the same as calling all republicans racists and homophobes?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 10:40am

Props and respect on this comment.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 10:34am

This is such a false equivalence

memento

2/18/19 11:31am

What constitutes an Anti-Vaxxer?

LCcoug

2/18/19 12:19pm

2 question quiz

Medute

2/18/19 1:16pm

Haha. Ok. Let's run with that.

LCcoug

2/18/19 2:06pm

No one is saying you shouldn't listen to the advice of your doctor

memento

2/18/19 2:41pm

RE: No one is saying you shouldn't listen to the advice of your doctor

LCcoug

2/18/19 4:27pm

Got it. You know more than the scientists

memento

2/18/19 6:28pm

Educate yourself. Listen to what he is saying.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 8:12pm

Your examples don’t fit the second question

Medute

2/18/19 7:30pm

What if my kid is sick at time of vaccination schedule?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 8:14pm

Did you not read my post?

Medute

2/18/19 8:40pm

Gotcha. I misread it to say either of the 2 questions.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 8:58pm

Do you work for MSNBC? Or Fox News?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 6:13pm

Lending credence so that these opinions carry any sort of weight or authority

memento

2/18/19 7:23pm

You can be civil and have a conversation without “giving credence”

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 8:19pm

HepB is an easy bloodborn pathogen to contract, much easier

KingDave

2/18/19 6:32am

Which is more likely - that nearly the entire medical community, depite a level

vagabonder

2/18/19 6:50am

I’m tired of all the physician jabs by those who choose a different schedule

Littlerich

2/18/19 6:57am

You are not a scientist. You are not a doctor.

CommodoreCoug

2/18/19 7:00am

Easiest post to thumbs down I've read in a long time.

COACHdrn

2/18/19 7:00am

Another conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand math.

shimmy

2/18/19 7:03am

For some reason I read your post with Josh Powell’s voice.

Kid_A

2/18/19 7:07am

I was thinking the same thing 😂

Mattinidaho

2/18/19 8:26am

You would be smart to do measles and whooping cough early too.

Blue Ghost

2/18/19 7:24am

Bold strategy. With the sword of pseudoscience, the helmet of tinfoil, the

Martin Van Nostrand

2/18/19 7:52am

When the vacciggedon happens, digblue will wonder why more people didn't listen to him.

RSL

2/18/19 7:53am

you will hear from them and you deserve to unfortunately--more unfortunately for

Incentivize

2/18/19 7:59am

Lol @ your martyrdom syndrome

spinner

2/18/19 8:10am

I didn’t know Jenny McCarthy was a CBer.

Ned Schneebly

2/18/19 8:34am

I wonder what the equivalent risk is?

RexIdaCoug

2/18/19 8:36am

Plain and simple, your decision to put your children at risk is idiotic

kotacoug

2/18/19 8:53am

So you acknowledge that the only reason you feel safe doing it your way is because the vast majority of your peers

kccougar

2/18/19 9:10am

<< Deleted >>

Alpi Gusto

2/18/19 9:12am

Whoa! Let's keep things reasonable here. Yes, he's miseducated, but let's keep

Byron McNertney

2/18/19 9:32am

I tend to agree with the post that got deleted.

memento

2/18/19 9:53am

Whoa Nelly. WAY over the line.

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 10:34am

congrats are in order. Never seen a more dislike post I don't think.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/18/19 9:29am

This is an all-time post. Congrats for getting in the CB Hall of Fame.

pink22

2/18/19 9:40am

Nice to have a thread that restores some faith in CBers generally

CommodoreCoug

2/18/19 9:43am

Your arguments are so dumb they aren’t even worth addressing.

Virginia Ute

2/18/19 10:07am

Because Vaccinations are the Brass Serpent of our age.

Troy McClure

2/18/19 10:17am

The symbolism is even more applicable when you read the account.

Troy McClure

2/18/19 10:23am

The Israelites also had the choice to look to the serpent

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 10:39am

That's because they died. Should we be so lucky?

Troy McClure

2/18/19 10:41am

Alma 33

Troy McClure

2/18/19 10:43am

Correct. Nevertheless they still had the right to choose.

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 10:46am

Imagine a child wanting to look and mom and dad not letting them. That's the

Doodlebob

2/18/19 10:51am

I didn't propose the analogy. But what child "wants" a shot?

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 11:11am

At what point do parent's rights trump the child's rights? This is the issue.

Doodlebob

2/18/19 11:28am

Who knows? Similar to pro-choice/pro-life debate.

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 11:49am

What if there was a kid that had H1N1 and the parents chose to send them to

Doodlebob

2/18/19 2:45pm

Two things. 1) Their choice not to look at the serpent did not adversely impact

Scratch

2/18/19 10:51am

True. An example why the serpent isn't a perfect analogy for anti vaxxing

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 11:08am

Bingo

777

2/18/19 11:21am

He has a right to choose for his family and to his opinions. And society has a

Scratch

2/18/19 11:27am

Agree.

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 11:36am

I agree with that but CB likes to claim everything is child abuse.

Troy McClure

2/18/19 11:48am

One of those is not like the other

memento

2/18/19 11:58am

Which one? None are legitimate claims of child abuse which is what my point was.

Troy McClure

2/18/19 12:00pm

Seeing as only one of those is close to the official definition of endgangermt

memento

2/18/19 12:14pm

Ah got it. As I said above, I'm just using them as a an example of the

Troy McClure

2/18/19 12:18pm

Agree. Just wait until society decides football is child abuse.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:10pm

So what ever happened to Rick Perry being hand picked by the "global elite" to be President in 2012?

BengalCougar

2/18/19 10:40am

That's good stuff

pink22

2/18/19 12:45pm

Vaccines turn kids gay. Or maybe it was frogs. I think I heard that on infowars.

Troy McClure

2/18/19 1:06pm

Are you actually a doctor or do you just spend a lot of time googling?

BYUfan92

2/18/19 11:25am

May I interest you in a discussion about some essential oils?

BenTheBoss

2/18/19 1:52pm

Just need one more...

CommodoreCoug

2/18/19 2:50pm

Yes!

CommodoreCoug

2/18/19 2:51pm

amazing: the thumbs up/down is in proportion to the % of kids not/are vaccinated

kapcreations

2/18/19 3:11pm

Hmm, I’m the 1 thumbs up and I vaccinate exactly as prescribed. I just disagree

bluecougar1985

2/18/19 4:18pm

The i teresti g thing"exacrly as presceibed" isnt a day..its a window

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 4:54pm

I should clarify by saying I take them to their scheduled appointments, and

bluecougar1985

2/18/19 4:59pm

Why not go all in? POTD!

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 5:52pm

I have the opinion that we shouldn't wear seat belts because I want to be thrown

Agnostic-alumni

2/18/19 6:15pm

In your seatbelt analogy, digblue's kids are all belted before leaving the

Orem58thBall

2/18/19 10:23pm

I believe in his analogy (although I may be confusing posters at this point)

Scratch

2/18/19 10:43pm

His kids are partially vaccinated. From his responses to my post it appears that

Agnostic-alumni

2/19/19 8:28am

I save those for things I agree with!

bluecougar1985

2/18/19 7:11pm

Wait, what? He articulate his points well?

Medute

2/19/19 8:49am

You missed the dihydrogen monoxide in your list of ingredients in vaccines. That

Doodlebob

2/18/19 3:37pm

The smartest researchers in the world, hundreds of them who are experts in the

Rocketman

2/18/19 4:39pm

Can Anyone link to the current risk rate of getting each individual disease

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 4:59pm

That math discounts the impact of herd immunity.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:04pm

That math accounts for..math. when the math changes...then... math,again.

CarolinaCoug

2/18/19 9:38pm

So...wait until the disease resurfaces and kills thousands before intervening

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 10:01pm

This is a perfect example of something being factual but false at the same time.

Byron McNertney

2/19/19 8:30am

If my kid can’t bring peanut butter to school, yours shouldn’t be able to bring

conetah

2/18/19 6:47pm

A 1-109 assist to TO ratio seems about right on this post

MaxxPower

2/18/19 6:58pm

"vaccine jabs"

DapperDan

2/18/19 7:00pm

No one has ever said that there isn’t some danger with vaccinations.

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