Probably not. BYU has done better against Utah 1st String QBs than against ...

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Jul 10, 2019
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Phil Steele has Yewties ranked #8 pre-season... They're good, but not that good.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 2:42pm

Crazy how much hype is built with 5 losses, a non-ranking, and a ring ceremony.

mulletino

7/10/19 2:44pm

Seriously, man. Any other pre-season top-10 teams lose their last two games?

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 2:49pm

Why would 2 losses to close out the season matter when the starting QB and star

BigBrotherUte

7/10/19 8:30pm

That would make a loss to BYU even more excruciating

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 8:45pm

Definitely the most experienced team in the county.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 10:16pm

and without some major injury luck in Q3, they would have had a 6th loss to

Cougar76

7/10/19 2:49pm

We benefitted from their injury luck first. Losing their starting QB and RB helped us.

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 2:56pm

We were already down to 5th RB, 2nd string LB and both went out in Q3. Prior

Cougar76

7/10/19 3:02pm

I know. But we were playing them without their NFL RB and their starting QB.

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 3:06pm

I disagree. They were missing two key starters. We were missing lots more than

Cougar76

7/10/19 3:08pm

Ha okay. We had it way worse. Should have known better than to look at it rationally.

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 3:27pm

Correction: *”should have known better to look at it rationally.” You had an

Robbinoburrito

7/10/19 3:38pm

It's really interesting how much emphasis is placed on

TFL

7/10/19 4:20pm

I don’t know about all those details of your losses. No doubt you can point to crazy things that would have

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 4:32pm

Agreed. I didn't mean to come across like I was taking it all that seriously

TFL

7/10/19 4:42pm

Totally agree. I don’t see it crazy that they rank Utah high early. Utah has been

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 4:46pm

I root for BYU too...but have the benefit

TFL

7/10/19 4:53pm

It really is horrible when a tenured QB doesnt take you to new heights

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 5:07pm

And Tanner didn’t progress as much

TFL

7/10/19 6:26pm

*regressed

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 6:30pm

To be honest I am one of those fans that doesn’t care about Utah other than when

Robbinoburrito

7/10/19 4:48pm

I know - if BYU had scored more points, they totally would have won that game.

kos

7/10/19 7:54pm

Or if Utah has scored less, or if football ended after 3 periods like hockey, or

Robbinoburrito

7/10/19 8:06pm

QB is a big loss

Boring

7/10/19 4:43pm

Probably not. BYU has done better against Utah 1st String QBs than against ...

COACHdrn

7/10/19 5:09pm

We were on our second string QB in that game as well

sunjieming

7/10/19 11:35pm

RE: We were on our second string QB in that game as well

displacedute

7/10/19 11:44pm

freshman QB + 5/6 string RB but oh noes! - Utah lost their starters!

sunjieming

7/11/19 1:03am

Come on, man. BYU chose to replace Mangum with Wilson. They weren't forced to

kos

7/11/19 8:43am

No, not completely different. Who took first reps most of the season?

sunjieming

7/11/19 12:17pm

I’m not downplaying Utah’s injuries. I just don’t think they were uniquely bad

sunjieming

7/11/19 12:21pm

Yes, it is completely different. BYU changed their QB voluntarily because

kos

7/11/19 6:02pm

No way - BYU’s first choice was a decent Mangum but he underperformed. Wilson

sunjieming

7/11/19 6:19pm

Dude, when the "backup" is better than the starter, and continues to play when the "starter" can play...

Et Lux in Domino

7/11/19 6:52pm

Context, man. This whole discussion has been about how disadvantaged the teams

kos

7/11/19 7:13pm

I completely agree with this. We are all, of course familiar with the events of

Robbinoburrito

7/11/19 8:17pm

*Sigh*

Et Lux in Domino

7/11/19 11:18pm

It's ok. I get it.

Robbinoburrito

7/12/19 10:40am

And a new OC

JKLCoug

7/10/19 2:52pm

Redundant when discussing Utah/KWhitt.

mulletino

7/10/19 2:54pm

Phil is pretty good most of the time. I admittedly don't know much about

Jericho

7/10/19 2:44pm

They are only stacked at D. Their offense won’t be near good enough to make them

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 2:46pm

Huntley and Moss are a really good RB/QB combo.....

BoiseBlue

7/10/19 2:50pm

Their O line made Huntley and Moss do better than they are

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 3:30pm

Their offense really started clicking the second half of the season last year.

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 2:51pm

Then they brought in a *mostly* new OC. A bit of a restart. Bodes well.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 2:52pm

The OC definitely creates some doubt. They have a lot of talent though. We’ll see.

The Dude Abides

7/10/19 2:54pm

He's brand new to their players. Which means a brand new playbook.

JKLCoug

7/10/19 2:55pm

During the streak, it hasn't apparently mattered who was their OC.

Everyman

7/10/19 4:38pm

Not underestimating him. But I'd rather them have a new OC than a tenured one.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 4:39pm

BYU fans are weird about new OCs. Utah is still running the Spread. An inside

BigBrotherUte

7/10/19 8:19pm

Alright buddy let's see how the game goes I guess

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 10:17pm

Utah had 3 phases of playcalling last year.

jrj84105

7/10/19 11:04pm

Wait, what!

TFL

7/11/19 1:07am

Utah's OL returns 3 starters and has a top JUCO OT coming in.

displacedute

7/10/19 3:26pm

Its great he thinks they are that high

DazeofBlue

7/10/19 2:45pm

His power poll actually has them lower than that, but based upon their schedule

jreid191

7/10/19 2:48pm

Gotcha. Even so, I'd be shocked if they end up top-10 by the end of the season.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 2:51pm

FPI and S&P suggest the following.

displacedute

7/10/19 3:25pm

I think Phil Steele is projecting 10-2 and winning Pac-12 for Utah

jreid191

7/10/19 3:41pm

If im the yewts I hate this. Sets them up for lambasting by some of their less rational fans

CLCougar

7/10/19 3:09pm

RE: If im the yewts I hate this. Sets them up for lambasting by some of their

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 3:34pm

BYU shouldn't have a 34% chance of beating the #8 team in the country. That fact

andrewg3

7/10/19 3:35pm

Did t we beat #6 Wisc last year?

Punk Philosopher

7/10/19 4:08pm

Exactly, and the odds were like 5%. I'm saying if Utah were really #8, the odds

andrewg3

7/10/19 4:35pm

60%? After 8 consecutive losses, you give BYU a 60% chance?

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 4:43pm

What does past performance have to do with this season's game? Wisc 2017 vs 2018

andrewg3

7/10/19 4:47pm

60% huh?

displacedute

7/10/19 4:46pm

Part of it is we're not coming off a 4-9 season

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 5:09pm

So is UTAH- expected to be better. Not coming off of a 4-9 season.

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 5:17pm

Utah is not expected to be better than Wisconsin was last year

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 5:24pm

I'm actually a very good reader. I'm 39, but have the reading skills of a 46-year-old. *You* didn't say anything about

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 5:51pm

He compared our chances of beating Wisconsin to our chances of beating Utah this

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 6:03pm

Okay. BOOM! Done...

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 6:15pm

LOL!!! The PAC12 is trying to claim that as a NC!!

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 6:32pm

Kinda embarrassing... Fortunately we didn't have any banners printed- 10 years after the fact.

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 6:42pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Utah lose anyone of significance on D?

Ned Schneebly

7/10/19 3:45pm

They lost a safety or two and two linebackers

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 4:05pm

Both safeties and both linebackers.

displacedute

7/10/19 5:00pm

Tareke Lewis could start at corner

DryFlyUte

7/10/19 5:17pm

Of Utah's 11 starters on D, Steele has 8 as 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team All PAC-12.

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 4:55pm

Guidry was 2nd team last year.

displacedute

7/10/19 5:07pm

Bernard is overrated

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 5:09pm

We're happy to have him. 🙂

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 5:20pm

We're fairly stacked at LB

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 5:26pm

Your level of fence-sitting is, indeed, next-level.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 7:25pm

I would have been happy to keep him if he could've gotten his act together.

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 7:26pm

Yes, but if he’s PAC 12 second team the PAC sucks

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 8:24pm

1. You know that there are only 12 teams in the PAC-12, right? 2. Those are 8 individual players, ranked 1, 2 or 3 team.

Et Lux in Domino

7/10/19 5:14pm

#8? Puh-leeeeeease. SMH.....

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/19 4:58pm

Under Whitt, they’ve played well as the underdog.

D.T. Survivor

7/10/19 6:03pm

Schedule is very favorable to win a lot of games

BYU Fan

7/10/19 8:00pm

If they actually end up top-10, largely due to weakness of schedule, their bowl

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 8:05pm

Washington got beat up pretty good last year by a meh OSU

puntersarepeople

7/10/19 8:26pm

The Utes are a very good team...

tmurphey44

7/10/19 9:23pm

I never said they weren't good. They're just not the 8th best team...

DraperCoug22

7/10/19 10:17pm

I'm just saying that I think they are good and...

tmurphey44

7/10/19 10:48pm

I hope they rank them #1 before the BYU game

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