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mwcoug
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They may have a different solution that doesn't agree with the politics of some or their solution seems too heavily biased toward one political side that it just seems agenda-driven.
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Honest question: Why are people increasingly skeptical of expert opinions?
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:25am
Arrogance.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 8:28am
This is interesting. And probably true.
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:33am
When I hear an "expert" say "everybody who is smart agrees with me", I immediately think "if you were right you wouldn't
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 9:07am
Maybe it’s arrogance of those need to listen not be open to receiving a message
U2wearblue
3/27/20 1:29pm
You're proving my point...
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 2:19pm
Fauci is arrogant? He's the opposite, and now everyone's ignoring him
runnincoug
3/27/20 8:43am
I was thinking in general terms.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 9:04am
probably true sometimes, but probably more often not arrogance, just confidence
runnincoug
3/27/20 9:11am
Could be. It's hard to distinguish between the two.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 9:13am
Didn’t find him arrogant at all! People listening to Trump couldn’t stand him
U2wearblue
3/27/20 1:31pm
This, you hit the nail on the head...
So it goes...
3/27/20 6:32pm
The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume
DapperDan
3/27/20 8:45am
Oh ... I thought you meant the skeptics were arrogant
coolcats
3/27/20 8:52am
On the flip side, it could be seen as arrogant to dismiss the conclusions of
Defenestrator
3/27/20 8:52am
Very true.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 9:04am
BINGO! I don’t care what accountant Bob thinks I want someone trained in field!
U2wearblue
3/27/20 1:33pm
You're missing the point. If an "expert" comes out guns a-blazing and arrogant, many people are turned off by that.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 2:27pm
Sounds like quite the character. I wonder what they would have to say about
Defenestrator
3/27/20 3:21pm
No idea. I have him on ignore.
Ragnar Danneskjold
3/27/20 3:28pm
There are a group of people who are "Biased Towards Reality"...
So it goes...
3/27/20 6:36pm
A lot of arrogant know-it-alls on CB too.
eddog
3/27/20 12:09pm
Political bias.
idcougarfan
3/27/20 8:28am
I think there is a lot of truth in this. No one rejects the expertise of the
Defenestrator
3/27/20 8:55am
I don't know about "increasingly."
ReyOso
3/27/20 8:28am
Fair point. Maybe it just seem to increase since social media gives a mic
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:30am
Side question: Have you made a survey of members who think the Earth
mbs6
3/27/20 8:38am
No, I haven't. They're less common than they used to be, thankfully.
ReyOso
3/27/20 8:42am
I appreciate that. Thank you.
mbs6
3/27/20 8:49am
I once accompanied some missionaries to teach a grad student in a stem field
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:56am
You haven't been to my ward. Very affluent and educated ward, but there are
coolblue
3/27/20 12:14pm
Politics
mwcoug
3/27/20 8:29am
There are a wide array of expert opinions, and you can pick one you like.
Plato
3/27/20 8:30am
The number of times that expert opinions have proven to be no more than a guess
JollyGreenGiant
3/27/20 8:30am
or in the words of Mac from its always sunny: science is a liar...sometimes
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:38am
Posted this before, but experts are often worse at predicting future outcomes
Odysseus
3/27/20 9:16am
Because experts are too often wrong, especially during the Great Recession
MyTwoCents
3/27/20 9:35am
So because experts in a domain that is based on being nearly impossible to
ryebrye
3/28/20 1:03am
People care more about being “right” than about what is true. IOW, pride.
chilango
3/27/20 8:32am
You can find “experts” arguing every side of any issue.
MarkWatney
3/27/20 8:32am
With coronavirus even the experts are learning as they go and are not always
Littlerich
3/27/20 8:33am
The media that hypes the “experts” is trash. Too many treat science as a
Memmo
3/27/20 8:33am
I'm a hard-science guy and too much soft-science is passed-off
mbs6
3/27/20 8:48am
Poor track record of prediction.
RugbyCoug
3/27/20 8:33am
Maybe because at first there were gonna be 500,000 deaths in Britain only to
Viking VI
3/27/20 8:34am
This post is a great example of confirmation bias
chilango
3/27/20 8:36am
Simply, experts never have complete knowledge or control of the modeling
Viking VI
3/27/20 8:45am
No expert ever claims to know everything, at least not in science. But this
chilango
3/27/20 8:53am
You say confirmation bias, maybe you're using the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.
sgriff
3/27/20 8:49am
Not authority, but data, facts, and science. Appeal to authority would be doing
chilango
3/27/20 8:56am
Maybe you aren't. I'm too lazy to go check your posting history. But there have been plenty using the argument
sgriff
3/27/20 9:22am
I mean this is all so new and every country is recording and reporting things differently, I'm not sure anyone really
sgriff
3/27/20 9:25am
I basically analyze data and do modeling for a living. Financial modeling. My
chilango
3/28/20 1:07am
Contempt blinds their ability to give credit someone/something they disagree w/
RockyBalboa
3/27/20 8:34am
Experts touted as experts that aren't really experts.
RugbyCoug
3/27/20 8:34am
soc. media has turned everyone into an expert on everything. And all megaphones
Iman23
3/27/20 8:34am
Money drives extreme expert opinions to get coverage ....
Xenon
3/27/20 8:36am
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East1999
3/27/20 8:37am
I don’t know. Personally Greta and Barbara Streisand have enough credibility
SouthernBlueBlood
3/27/20 8:37am
I'd guess one reason is that there are so many "experts" everywhere that we
BYUfan92
3/27/20 8:38am
From what I've seen, it's from expert information passing from experts to
swingcat
3/27/20 8:39am
RE: From what I've seen, it's from expert information passing from experts to
Defenestrator
3/27/20 8:44am
Because you can find an expert to say what you want him to say
JOPE
3/27/20 8:40am
Here's my opinion - even the experts disagree.
Eddie
3/27/20 8:41am
Plus when people say "the experts agree" there are still usually experts who don't. There are specialists and experts
BlueBlood94
3/27/20 12:23pm
IMO, the better educated you become the more likely it is that you are able to
gwalker
3/27/20 8:41am
This is absolutely true. But also, somewhat nihilistic
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:44am
Not so much nihilistic in my case. But a recognition that there's an element
gwalker
3/27/20 11:05am
Some of this is just about time and learning about how this virus operates...
Bonoman
3/27/20 8:48am
Mainstream fake news media.
Adwight
3/27/20 8:42am
The biggest problem with Trump's presidency is how he's forever changed how
runnincoug
3/27/20 8:45am
He isn’t wrong though. He’s exposed a real problem. It isn’t made up
Croweater
3/27/20 8:56am
^^^Case in point. Most journalists are pretty balanced.
runnincoug
3/27/20 9:03am
That’s a good one.
Misteak
3/27/20 9:16am
And as case in point...why do you disagree with me? Because of what Trump said?
runnincoug
3/27/20 9:32am
If anyone was willing enough to see, fake news didn't start with Trump
byublue42
3/27/20 11:04am
NY Times/WaPo/HuffPo/MSN/MSNBC/The New Yorker/NPR/NBC/The Economist/CBS/Atlantic/Politico/Time all have an obvious
HarlemCoug
3/27/20 11:09am
Because I have eyes. I see what they focus on and what they downplay...and most
Misteak
3/27/20 11:18am
wuuuuut. This is way bigger than just Trump
Memmo
3/27/20 10:56am
They also did that to themselves. He isn’t wrong.
Adwight
3/27/20 10:17am
Do you include Fox news in this bunch?
ryebrye
3/27/20 1:13pm
What's interesting is how they don't realize they do it. The "other side"
runnincoug
3/27/20 8:42am
My problem is with the “halo effect”...giving those who are experts in one
Misteak
3/27/20 8:44am
Because there are so many OPPOSING VIEWS within the 'expert' community.
Benfica1
3/27/20 8:44am
Because they are not omniscient.
snowcat
3/27/20 8:44am
The internet.
ironman1315
3/27/20 8:44am
Because nuance, compromise and gray areas no longer exist. The world is either black or white. If someone who believes
foofcoug
3/27/20 8:45am
Fake news is real. So much of what the experts say is filtered through the media
Croweater
3/27/20 8:47am
Especially what they DON’T cover or emphasize.
Misteak
3/27/20 9:17am
My response as a lawyer
GregOstertag
3/27/20 8:50am
Because the internet is providing them with too many other opinions and it
mudpupper
3/27/20 8:50am
Skepticism of other experts and their data is a core part of the scientific process
ColoSpgs
3/27/20 8:53am
Good point. Maybe skepticism isn’t the right word. It’s the outright denial.
Gorgias
3/27/20 8:58am
Well said. Expertly put.
Misteak
3/27/20 9:18am
You mean like FOX downplaying minimizing COVID for a few months?
So it goes...
3/27/20 6:48pm
Ideological agendas that lead to skewing of the facts. It’s rampant.
Refugee
3/27/20 8:54am
Because the “expert” opinions are almost always contradictory to other “experts.” Choose your expert wisely.
dryflyelk
3/27/20 8:57am
This +100
proudcugr
3/27/20 11:28am
Because they are experts in only part of the equation.
Doogal McCougar
3/27/20 9:27am
That’s why the president is a ‘generalist’. He has to make decisions across
Misteak
3/27/20 11:20am
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Machiavelli
3/27/20 9:40am
We crave certainty. We listen to those who pretend to have it. They don't.
HenderCoug
3/27/20 10:05am
CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, et al gravitate ONLY to the experts that want to bury a
TrueBlue67
3/27/20 10:13am
Pseudoscience is rampant. Anybody that understand real science wouldn't get any
SFarkus
3/27/20 10:20am
we're tired of being lied to... boy who cried wolf should be re-read by all....
HarlemCoug
3/27/20 10:54am
Funding . . .
Sooner Cougar
3/27/20 10:55am
Also, they don’t want all their work, their degree, etc. to be meaningless.
Misteak
3/27/20 11:23am
Concerning funding, you may find these past threads interesting:
Defenestrator
3/27/20 11:48am
Read The Fatal Conceit. Humans are prone to errors & arrogance - even experts.
Jacksonian76
3/27/20 10:55am
Experts in one field are far from experts in another. Usually their views
Malacis
3/27/20 11:07am
What answer would you like? I can provide the "research" you want for a fee.
Division Bell
3/27/20 11:17am
Well you see Professor Division Bell, most of our funding comes from the “green”
JollyGreenGiant
3/27/20 11:19am
The answer is to put in solar and wind power. Get rid of your old light bulbs
Division Bell
3/27/20 11:21am
Because we don’t like our life choices to be questioned.
StalwartBraveTrue
3/27/20 11:44am
Self-importance
Jeb
3/27/20 11:58am
Most experts these days are agenda driven. Power and money are the motivators.
coolblue
3/27/20 12:19pm
Because I heard for 20 years that oil was about gone, sea would rise, etc.
CosmoK
3/27/20 12:20pm
Over half of academia is activism now rather than scholarship/science
yakkamole
3/27/20 12:23pm
THIS. Having been in academia for a while and with most my friends in academia, I can confirm the truth of this.
BlueBlood94
3/27/20 12:30pm
Because so-called experts are increasingly wrong
zerome4sooners
3/27/20 12:34pm
Population has more access to info, easier to trust experts when you know nothin
Hill4Heisman
3/27/20 12:37pm
The left seems to be freaked out about this, while people the right don't care
Lakerone
3/27/20 12:44pm
Because as the cdc doctors said yesterday, the models and predictions made by
travelcoug
3/27/20 12:55pm
Too many agenda driven expert opinions
astroman
3/27/20 1:11pm
From The Atlantic
Longbow Cougar
3/27/20 1:12pm
Expert is a term thrown out there to silence debate.
Colorado
3/27/20 3:42pm
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