What?!?!? Retreat to first?!?!

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Oct 21, 2020
5:59:58pm

Endocoug All-American

We are talking about tagging the player. Not throwing to the next base for a force out.

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Baseball rules question

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:45pm

Depends on what the 1st basemen does after letting it drop.

SlantRoute

10/21/20 5:46pm

I meant to ask, “he cannot be tagged out, correct?”

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:47pm

If he lets it drop, picks it up, and touches first base the batter is out.

SlantRoute

10/21/20 5:56pm

What if he tags the runner (who is standing on first) then tags the 1st base?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:01pm

He doesn’t have to advance. He can occupy first as long as batter doesn’t

SlantRoute

10/21/20 6:02pm

Not true, if the batter puts the ball in play and it isn’t caught the runner

USMCdad

10/21/20 6:06pm

I have never seen this situation but believe you're incorrect. Once the force is on he isn't safe standing on first.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:11pm

This situation happened in my son’s game tonight.

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:23pm

I believe your son is out. However, my son was once hosed on a call at first and I went over the video like the zapruder

shimmy

10/21/20 6:38pm

It didn’t involve my son.

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:05pm

My bad. Hope it wasn’t consequential.

shimmy

10/21/20 7:09pm

Then it’s a double play

USMCdad

10/21/20 6:03pm

Yeah, I still don’t think so.

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:21pm

The exact same thing happened in the mlb at it depends when you tag the guy.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:42pm

You have a columnist saying he would be “compelled to run”

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:10pm

If you tag him out before you touch first base you tagged the

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:07pm

The force out is at second.

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:12pm

And that’s why that runner isn’t protected by standing on first base when the

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:15pm

Does that link reference a rule?

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:19pm

He has to advance.

ponys

10/21/20 5:46pm

So, if he stays at first and the 1st baseman touches first before the batter

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:48pm

He can advance or return. No force out opportunity remains for the defense

scootsy

10/21/20 5:51pm

Infield fly rule applies

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:48pm

No it doesn’t.

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:48pm

Why not, they call the batter out and then the runner is on his own

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:49pm

There has to be runners on 1st and second and less than 2 outs. And infield fly has to be called by an ump. It isn't

shimmy

10/21/20 5:50pm

Gotcha, so the batter will need to get to first before it’s dropped

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:52pm

Right. If you hit an infield pop up so high you can reach first before it is caught, you turn the play into an infield

shimmy

10/21/20 5:54pm

Need runners on first AND second

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:50pm

Yeah spaced that part

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:56pm

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shimmy

10/21/20 5:50pm

Never an infield fly with only one runner on base

jsaskew

10/21/20 7:28pm

Infield Fly Rule.

JAGA97

10/21/20 5:49pm

Nope

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:49pm

not applicable in this instance.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:49pm

Because of only 1 runner. Got it.

JAGA97

10/21/20 5:51pm

And it has to be expressly called by the umpire. Even if it is textbook, if the umpire doesn't call it then it doesn't

shimmy

10/21/20 5:54pm

Typical baseball, identify an opportunity of a very exciting play and make it

Pretorian

10/21/20 6:40pm

You mean if he stays standing on the base? He can absolutely be tagged.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:49pm

I know he can be tagged. But is he called out? That is the question.

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:50pm

Yes. If the 1B lets the ball drop he can tag the runner on first or throw to 2nd

ponys

10/21/20 5:52pm

I typed my response to the OP for some reason. Ponys is correct.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:53pm

Can anyone cite the rule?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:02pm

Here is the little league rule, emphasis added.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:10pm

I read that rule as the runner is entitled to the base until the batter

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:12pm

Found from another forum, so I can only assume that the citation is correct.

Backslidercoug

10/21/20 6:12pm

The way I read that, the runner is “forced to vacate”

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:18pm

I read it differently. Runner on first does not

Backslidercoug

10/21/20 6:57pm

Runner on first in that instance is forced to vacate so he isn’t

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:11pm

Again, where is a rule that says he can be tagged out while

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:16pm

At long last I found it:

shimmy

10/21/20 7:29pm

You’re a:

Endocoug

10/21/20 8:03pm

You can tag a player out standing on a bag if they are not safe on the bag. They could tag the runner standing on first

shimmy

10/21/20 5:51pm

If he does not advance I believe he would be safe, but the runner they hit the ball would be out. Because the lead

JOPE

10/21/20 5:54pm

Lead runner doesn't get the base on a force. If that was the case on a sharp grounder you'd have the guy on 1st retreat

shimmy

10/21/20 5:56pm

What?!?!? Retreat to first?!?!

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:59pm

That was a response to the situation where 2 runners are on the base. So long as the runner is forced to go to 2nd, he

shimmy

10/21/20 6:02pm

There's an intentional drop rule, basically the same as the infield fly, just

Corn Pop

10/21/20 6:19pm

So, you’re saying the runner would be safe while standing on first base?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:24pm

The ump has to make a call, but yes, the batter should be out.

Corn Pop

10/21/20 6:42pm

So to fully answer your question, if the ump does not rule there was an

Corn Pop

10/21/20 7:24pm

That's not really how it goes down

shakarocks

10/21/20 10:21pm

Thanks, but that doesn't negate anything I said.

Corn Pop

10/22/20 3:07am

Ball is declared dead, batter is declared out, and the runner is returned to

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