Runner on first in that instance is forced to vacate so he isn’t

Oct 21, 2020
7:11:00pm

USMCdad Truly Addicted User

Provided the safety of staying on that base anymore unless the runner behind him who’s base that is his force is forced out or tagged out. He loses the safety of that base until it’s no longer a force out base

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Baseball rules question

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:45pm

Depends on what the 1st basemen does after letting it drop.

SlantRoute

10/21/20 5:46pm

I meant to ask, “he cannot be tagged out, correct?”

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:47pm

If he lets it drop, picks it up, and touches first base the batter is out.

SlantRoute

10/21/20 5:56pm

What if he tags the runner (who is standing on first) then tags the 1st base?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:01pm

He doesn’t have to advance. He can occupy first as long as batter doesn’t

SlantRoute

10/21/20 6:02pm

Not true, if the batter puts the ball in play and it isn’t caught the runner

USMCdad

10/21/20 6:06pm

I have never seen this situation but believe you're incorrect. Once the force is on he isn't safe standing on first.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:11pm

This situation happened in my son’s game tonight.

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:23pm

I believe your son is out. However, my son was once hosed on a call at first and I went over the video like the zapruder

shimmy

10/21/20 6:38pm

It didn’t involve my son.

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:05pm

My bad. Hope it wasn’t consequential.

shimmy

10/21/20 7:09pm

Then it’s a double play

USMCdad

10/21/20 6:03pm

Yeah, I still don’t think so.

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:21pm

The exact same thing happened in the mlb at it depends when you tag the guy.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:42pm

You have a columnist saying he would be “compelled to run”

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:10pm

If you tag him out before you touch first base you tagged the

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:07pm

The force out is at second.

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:12pm

And that’s why that runner isn’t protected by standing on first base when the

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:15pm

Does that link reference a rule?

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:19pm

He has to advance.

ponys

10/21/20 5:46pm

So, if he stays at first and the 1st baseman touches first before the batter

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:48pm

He can advance or return. No force out opportunity remains for the defense

scootsy

10/21/20 5:51pm

Infield fly rule applies

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:48pm

No it doesn’t.

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:48pm

Why not, they call the batter out and then the runner is on his own

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:49pm

There has to be runners on 1st and second and less than 2 outs. And infield fly has to be called by an ump. It isn't

shimmy

10/21/20 5:50pm

Gotcha, so the batter will need to get to first before it’s dropped

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:52pm

Right. If you hit an infield pop up so high you can reach first before it is caught, you turn the play into an infield

shimmy

10/21/20 5:54pm

Need runners on first AND second

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:50pm

Yeah spaced that part

USMCdad

10/21/20 5:56pm

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shimmy

10/21/20 5:50pm

Never an infield fly with only one runner on base

jsaskew

10/21/20 7:28pm

Infield Fly Rule.

JAGA97

10/21/20 5:49pm

Nope

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:49pm

not applicable in this instance.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:49pm

Because of only 1 runner. Got it.

JAGA97

10/21/20 5:51pm

And it has to be expressly called by the umpire. Even if it is textbook, if the umpire doesn't call it then it doesn't

shimmy

10/21/20 5:54pm

Typical baseball, identify an opportunity of a very exciting play and make it

Pretorian

10/21/20 6:40pm

You mean if he stays standing on the base? He can absolutely be tagged.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:49pm

I know he can be tagged. But is he called out? That is the question.

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:50pm

Yes. If the 1B lets the ball drop he can tag the runner on first or throw to 2nd

ponys

10/21/20 5:52pm

I typed my response to the OP for some reason. Ponys is correct.

shimmy

10/21/20 5:53pm

Can anyone cite the rule?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:02pm

Here is the little league rule, emphasis added.

shimmy

10/21/20 6:10pm

I read that rule as the runner is entitled to the base until the batter

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:12pm

Found from another forum, so I can only assume that the citation is correct.

Backslidercoug

10/21/20 6:12pm

The way I read that, the runner is “forced to vacate”

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:18pm

I read it differently. Runner on first does not

Backslidercoug

10/21/20 6:57pm

Runner on first in that instance is forced to vacate so he isn’t

USMCdad

10/21/20 7:11pm

Again, where is a rule that says he can be tagged out while

Endocoug

10/21/20 7:16pm

At long last I found it:

shimmy

10/21/20 7:29pm

You’re a:

Endocoug

10/21/20 8:03pm

You can tag a player out standing on a bag if they are not safe on the bag. They could tag the runner standing on first

shimmy

10/21/20 5:51pm

If he does not advance I believe he would be safe, but the runner they hit the ball would be out. Because the lead

JOPE

10/21/20 5:54pm

Lead runner doesn't get the base on a force. If that was the case on a sharp grounder you'd have the guy on 1st retreat

shimmy

10/21/20 5:56pm

What?!?!? Retreat to first?!?!

Endocoug

10/21/20 5:59pm

That was a response to the situation where 2 runners are on the base. So long as the runner is forced to go to 2nd, he

shimmy

10/21/20 6:02pm

There's an intentional drop rule, basically the same as the infield fly, just

Corn Pop

10/21/20 6:19pm

So, you’re saying the runner would be safe while standing on first base?

Endocoug

10/21/20 6:24pm

The ump has to make a call, but yes, the batter should be out.

Corn Pop

10/21/20 6:42pm

So to fully answer your question, if the ump does not rule there was an

Corn Pop

10/21/20 7:24pm

That's not really how it goes down

shakarocks

10/21/20 10:21pm

Thanks, but that doesn't negate anything I said.

Corn Pop

10/22/20 3:07am

Ball is declared dead, batter is declared out, and the runner is returned to

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