Or is that not enough evidence?

Claim: “more people voted than were registered”
Truth: 49% turnout.

Is the claim a lie when you have access to information that tells you inescapably that it isn’t true?

I can see you’ve hitched your wagon to this guy and will go down with the Titanic while defending that it is “unsinkable”.

I won’t use liar loosely. And I’m the first to make the distinction between being wrong and being false. Which is why I don’t call trumps followers, or you, liars.

While it is true that he may honestly believes his lies and doesn’t believe he is being false, I think he’s too smart of a guy for that.

I’m happy to disagree with people cordially. And yes, anytime democrats said that Trump “stole” the election in 16 I demanded proof. When they suggested there was collusion I asked for proof. When they suggested interference from Russia (not at all the same), I asked for proof. When there was none and the other person knew there was none and continued to make outrageous claims without proof I concluded they were being false. So yes. Integrity isn’t hard for me. It is painful for me sometimes but I’m used to being wrong (married 20 years). It’s okay to be wrong.

But I am anything but blinded by my emotions toward trump. My eyes are wide open and I know what I see.