Agree to disagree. 70 of his yards were off of very gimmicky plays and he was 14

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Jun 18, 2021
4:58:04pm

cougaman Intervention Needed

Agree to disagree. 70 of his yards were off of very gimmicky plays and he was 14

for 24 with roughly 150 yards outside those 2 plays. And his RB helped him out plenty with a 46 yard TD run.

And you are dodging how you can say he's clearly better with his "very very small" sample size, when you said earlier that we really can't know about Hall because of his "very, very small" sample size.

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Honest question: What makes Jaren Hall so much better than Romney? I don't think

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:29am

who said he was so much better? seems like a close 3 man race by all accounts

g$

6/18/21 11:33am

Are you kidding me? Posts are overwhelmingly in favor of JH. Not saying he'll

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:44am

You have to remember that most CBer

1CougFan

6/18/21 12:04pm

hit enter too soon! Most CBers are just fans and either go by

1CougFan

6/18/21 12:18pm

There is a difference between thinking that he's a lot better than a lot of

cougaman

6/18/21 1:25pm

^^This. People are simply leaning to who they like. Not many argue that one

Cougar TD

6/18/21 1:47pm

60% of cougar board thinks exactly what Criddle tell them to

travelcoug

6/18/21 1:30pm

Criddle used to jump onto CB frequently and trade banter with fans...

icecougar

6/18/21 3:02pm

I can confirm this. I never share any opinion of mine until I know if it's

GhostRider

6/18/21 5:48pm

From the heresay, it sounds like they have similar-ish arms. But Hall is a

BlueVU

6/18/21 11:33am

No doubt on JH's legs.

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:45am

I remember watching his dad in person. That was a good backfield. Him and Jamal.

EtTuKalante

6/18/21 11:47am

I confess I don't remember his dad playing. Was buried then early in my career.

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:52am

He came out of the gates absolutely on fire. 100 plus yard in his first 2 games.

EtTuKalante

6/18/21 12:13pm

Small for a FB, little fumble-prone his 1st year but other than that, nice #s!

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 12:34pm

He was almost more third down back, than fullback.

EtTuKalante

6/18/21 12:37pm

and I remember wondering if he was better than Faulk. ha ha

Belboz

6/18/21 1:49pm

Jaren is a playmaker. Baylor is a manager. Both very good.

DraperCoug22

6/18/21 11:34am

The stats & ability to read as a passer didn't back that up 2 years ago.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 11:42am

What stats are you referencing?

wjman11

6/18/21 11:44am

Completion percentages, total yards, interception/td ratio, running efficiency.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 11:47am

I would argue Jaren's stats are better. But like I said, we're splitting hairs.

DraperCoug22

6/18/21 12:50pm

I totally agree. I just think Romney's being undersold by some.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 12:52pm

Look Baylor is a gamer, but

I'mBatman

6/18/21 4:21pm

His handling of their blitzing was very commendable for a first-game starter.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 4:27pm

trick plays require deft decision making and superb execution...

icecougar

6/25/21 12:41pm

not exactly correct on accuracy...

icecougar

6/18/21 3:14pm

So long as manager vs playmaker isn't set up as a dichotomy I can sign off on it

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 3:38pm

good example with Ty...

icecougar

6/25/21 12:36pm

For me, I just like how he looked in game. It could simply be a bias on my part

Cougar TD

6/18/21 11:39am

Jaren Hall's 1st half against USU shows what he can do.

Jeffacka

6/18/21 11:47am

And Romney's play and wins do not show what he can do?

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:49am

He's fine, but I don't see him ever being the reason the team wins.

Jeffacka

6/18/21 11:52am

2nd half of Liberty game shows as much.

6/18/21 12:03pm

No, it doesn't.

Jeffacka

6/18/21 12:05pm

It's out of fear that Romney might look really good.

MrClark

6/18/21 11:59am

This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen on this board. I'm embarrassed for you.

6/18/21 12:02pm

Romney throws better than the #2 draft pick?

Jeffacka

6/18/21 12:03pm

If true, why’d Romney end up 3rd string twice?

6/18/21 12:16pm

When was Romney 3rd string twice? Sure wasn't 3rd string last year.

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 12:38pm

Yes...

SoCalCoug

6/18/21 12:28pm

That's what Arod said...

icecougar

6/25/21 12:50pm

He is more athletic and from what I gather has a stronger arm. I think he looked

cougaman

6/18/21 11:51am

JH significant playing time: USF - one game, lost. USU - one half, hurt, out.

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 11:54am

That half against USU was beautiful.

Jeffacka

6/18/21 11:57am

100% agree on that, but it was only one half. Key word: "only".

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 12:35pm

But we saw what he could do on the field.

Jeffacka

6/18/21 12:39pm

So, we can't draw any conclusions whatsoever because there was a small sample

cougaman

6/18/21 12:15pm

Sure you can draw conclusions, but the smaller the sample the higher chance that

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 12:37pm

Romney only had about 40 more pass attempts than Hall in 2019 against pretty

cougaman

6/18/21 12:45pm

Also, don't ask others a question about their opinion then get snippy with them

cougaman

6/18/21 12:53pm

"Snippy"? Got it. (Whoops, that was snippy....)

BleedCougarBlue2

6/18/21 3:32pm

Dude. You called me out for "common sense and reality". Hall is better by every

cougaman

6/18/21 3:58pm

"Tougher competition"? Really? Also, things I think Romney in 2019 was clearly

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 4:11pm

He compiled most of his stats against liberty, and outside of some trick plays

cougaman

6/18/21 4:16pm

Was the best QB in that game. His skill players were clearly not on BSU's level.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 4:22pm

Hall wasn't in that game, so how is that even relevant.

cougaman

6/18/21 4:44pm

Yeah, I meant BSU's guy, Cord.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 5:28pm

and for the record, how can you say that he's clearly better that Hall when Hall

cougaman

6/18/21 4:24pm

I never said that. He clearly played better than BSU's QB in our game.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 4:29pm

Wait, are we comparing Romney to Hall, or some random QB, and you very

cougaman

6/18/21 4:40pm

You said Baylor didn't play that well against BSU, & I disagreed.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 4:53pm

Agree to disagree. 70 of his yards were off of very gimmicky plays and he was 14

cougaman

6/18/21 4:58pm

The link you gave for that post was to another poster you realize. No?

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 5:05pm

I didn't thanks for pointing it out, I was on my phone so it wasn't as clear to

cougaman

6/18/21 5:32pm

I did kinda jump into a dialogue. Sorry.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 5:38pm

Reminds me of Hill/Stewart.

LeonMarek

6/18/21 11:56am

No, lets not start the better player because he MIGHT get injured.

cougaman

6/18/21 12:17pm

Uhhhh nobody clamored for Stewart over Hill, that was the year We were undefeate

akmewg

6/18/21 1:06pm

Now watch film and eval them. If you can't really do that, then I don't know what to tell you, Hall is better.

6/18/21 11:58am

I agree with that, but Hall's field vision & decision making are still

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 12:12pm

From spring practice highlights it is easy to see that Hall has a stronger arm

Corn Pop

6/18/21 11:58am

Agreed

Captain Barnacles

6/18/21 12:29pm

Also Romney was much more of a running QB than we’ve seen. Twice as many rushing

akmewg

6/18/21 12:54pm

It's not about stats. Watch the two play and the differences are glaring.

Belboz

6/18/21 1:09pm

Like John Walsh versus that scrawny lil game manager who preceded him.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 1:13pm

And anyone who thinks John Walsh was bad didn't watch.

Belboz

6/18/21 1:18pm

Compared to the scrawny manager before him at BYU — his arm looked

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 1:22pm

and Walsh was an elite college QB.

Belboz

6/18/21 1:23pm

He shoulda got a real shot in the Pros, in my mind. He woulda stuck.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 1:24pm

I remember watching him throw for over 600 yards against Utah State

Belboz

6/18/21 1:22pm

Wow one HALF against a bad USU defense sure has a lot of people enamored. And

akmewg

6/18/21 1:16pm

Everything Romney does is slow and arm strength isn't anywhere near the same.

Belboz

6/18/21 1:19pm

His decision making looked clearly FASTER than Hall's, imo.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 1:25pm

If he's forced to play, I hope he finds a way to surpass Hall.

Belboz

6/18/21 1:47pm

I expect Hall to win this (if not Conover). But Baylor has some great strengths.

SinkingQuffa

6/18/21 1:52pm

I think the jury is very much out on who's better right now.

LEDSFW

6/18/21 1:14pm

For me it was the spin and velocity on the ball (JH). BR seems to float the ball

ImuaKahuku

6/18/21 1:25pm

Agreed; not sure why there seems to be overwhelming CB support for Hall . . . .

fruitless

6/18/21 1:49pm

Jaren can make all the throws. Romney cannot. He can do a lot of things well,

Thrill

6/18/21 2:03pm

Not sure if he's "so much better". He hasn't played since 2019. Both players...

icecougar

6/18/21 3:00pm

I was in favor of Romney two yearsago, even ahead

pappabear246

6/18/21 4:16pm

Honest answer then: the coaches know more than us.

DazeofBlue

6/18/21 4:56pm

not his H.S history, very avg. So we are basing all this on

delete_king

6/18/21 7:44pm

C'mon man. You need to go back earlier in that drive. He took a helmet-to-helmet

SinkingQuffa

6/19/21 9:54am

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