Then move. The constitution gives the government the right to tax you. If you

Jun 19, 2021
8:13:34pm

jkccoug All-American

Don’t like that and think you would prefer a different taxation scheme then move somewhere else or help elect someone different.

If you are looking for no taxes then go live outside of the protection of any government and have no benefits but no burdens.

It is hypocritical to act like all taxation is bad while you sit and enjoy the benefits of that same taxation—which include among many other things your personal safety and the safety of your property, value of the dollars you earn and spend, the clean water you drink, the clean air you breathe, and a lot of other things.

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One thing I know about boomers is they won't cry when the tax bill comes in. Pay

ekiben

6/19/21 4:53pm

I paid off my debt. Pay off your own.

Division Bell

6/19/21 4:55pm

Re-read the post my dude. I have no debt.

ekiben

6/19/21 4:57pm

Must be a punk kid…”my dude”

byuguns55

6/19/21 5:48pm

Maybe so. Off topic question for you. Looking for some .45 ammo and seeing your

ekiben

6/19/21 6:20pm

Get a real job and ammo is much easier to afford

byuguns55

6/20/21 5:30am

I'm following your logic. Get a better job & I can just pay up without complaint

ekiben

6/20/21 8:50am

You just have the benefit of dying before the trillions youve borrowed comes due

Linescratcher

6/19/21 5:01pm

Spot on

Backcountry

6/19/21 5:03pm

You're not speaking Russian or Chinese. You have a robust economy compared to what other generations had. You're welcome

Division Bell

6/19/21 5:07pm

Interesting what unit did you serve in during WWII?

ayfan

6/19/21 5:13pm

I wonder who's going tell him the Russian and Chinese threats came after WWII? Must be that millennial ejukation.

Division Bell

6/19/21 6:24pm

The Greatest generation is responsible for the economy was my point.

ayfan

6/19/21 6:39pm

Theres so much about this post that I loved that I had to pause & compose myself

Linescratcher

6/19/21 6:46pm

Wait, are you saying that the Cold War didn't exist? Huh.

John Doe

6/19/21 6:58pm

More boomer logic

Linescratcher

6/19/21 7:16pm

The sad fact is your kids

Division Bell

6/19/21 7:20pm

Tbh, you lie about the reasons why & how the debt was incurred,

Linescratcher

6/19/21 7:27pm

I do think the arms race of the Cold War era had a lot to do with the debt

jkccoug

6/19/21 8:09pm

I can't argue with you. Mainly because you have no idea what you're talking about.

John Doe

6/19/21 7:50pm

Thank you so much! And my friends will soon thank you for their free education.

ekiben

6/19/21 5:15pm

Yeah, not likely.

Zastava

6/19/21 5:18pm

If you have friends that are free-loaders you may want to look for new friends

byuguns55

6/19/21 5:50pm

Haven't you been paying attention. Nothing is FREE!!

ekiben

6/19/21 6:16pm

It’ll soon be “why are social security benefits taxed?”

OPINIONS

6/19/21 4:58pm

Taxation is extortion

Jericho

6/19/21 5:04pm

Truer words were never spoken.

Zastava

6/19/21 5:05pm

Sure. So what though? I like roads and I have no objection to “extorting” money

Jay Rick

6/19/21 5:37pm

RE: Sure. So what though? I like roads and I have no objection to

Jericho

6/19/21 5:42pm

You hate roads?

Jay Rick

6/19/21 6:25pm

Throwing out silly slogans is easier than answering questions. Government bad

Jstak17

6/19/21 6:45pm

Government isn’t the solution to every problem

Jericho

6/19/21 7:02pm

No one said it is. It is the solution to some problems…Like roads

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:03pm

Like roads. If the market was gonna make roads, I think it would have by now.

Jay Rick

6/19/21 7:05pm

It’s a bad solution for roads

Jericho

6/19/21 7:06pm

You’re saying it’s immoral. So it shouldn’t be a solution to anything. Which

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:13pm

The Constitution was flawed. Gave too much power to the Federal govt

Jericho

6/19/21 7:18pm

Thanks Ammon Bundy

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:22pm

You’re welcome Kim Jung Un

Jericho

6/19/21 7:27pm

Haha, my English is pretty good right?!?!?

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:29pm

That’s fine. But what’s your proposal for roads then? Or military?

Jay Rick

6/19/21 7:58pm

It’s not extortion. It’s based in the constitution and controlled under

Jstak17

6/19/21 5:55pm

How exactly is it extortion? We still can elect people that represent us and

Jstak17

6/19/21 5:54pm

It’s extortion. I don’t want to pay but I have no choice

Jericho

6/19/21 5:58pm

Ok, that’s just a pretty radical and anti constitutional way of seeing things.

Jstak17

6/19/21 6:04pm

It’s an honest assessment of taxation.

jvquarterback

6/19/21 6:15pm

There aren’t any other reasons? None? You don’t think there’s any benefit to

Jay Rick

6/19/21 6:27pm

You can justify the theft any way you like. If you have any integrity you call

jvquarterback

6/19/21 6:52pm

You just ignored his point. I guess if I’m a cop I shouldn’t accept a paycheck.

Jstak17

6/19/21 6:57pm

What point? That’s it’s not stealing if you use the money for “good” causes.

jvquarterback

6/19/21 7:17pm

That’s not integrity. It’s cognitive dissonance.

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:25pm

Whatever gets you by. I participate in the thieving but at least I’m honest

jvquarterback

6/19/21 8:55pm

I think you haven’t thought it through. I agree that over taxation is immoral.

Jstak17

6/19/21 11:00pm

No. I’m just honest with myself. Taxation is theft. If I’m in power and force

jvquarterback

6/20/21 6:22pm

Stealing is immoral. Therefore taxes are immoral. And we should get rid of them

Jstak17

6/20/21 9:52pm

That sounds like a start. Like I said, in practice most of us participate in

jvquarterback

6/21/21 11:25am

You call yourself honest, yet think that we would be better economically with no

Jstak17

6/21/21 12:23pm

^^^ Doesn't know what honesty is.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 12:34pm

Ok, let’s get rid of government. That will turn out great.

Jstak17

6/21/21 12:41pm

Depends on how you define stealing. The law certainly has plenty of different

Jstak17

6/21/21 1:30pm

There’s a lot to unpack in these discussions. Some brief thoughts:

Jay Rick

6/21/21 12:40pm

A truly utilitarian concept of “morality” has always been very problematic.

Zastava

6/21/21 1:13pm

I agree with you. I think that can all be considered as part of the calculation

Jay Rick

6/21/21 1:19pm

Integrity is the word I used. Wholeness in thought and actions.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 1:18pm

I think it actually is very hard to see that. Eg, no on this thread has been ab

Jay Rick

6/21/21 1:22pm

There are plenty of historical examples of voluntary government.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 2:05pm

It would work in isolated cases, where other strong social connections exist. It

Jstak17

6/21/21 2:12pm

What evidence do you have of that? Smaller government is always better from an

jvquarterback

6/21/21 3:18pm

A “voluntary government!?!?!? I don’t know what world you are living in.

Jstak17

6/21/21 3:45pm

It’s the American way to redefine words so you aren’t wrong. More power to you.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 8:23pm

Show me some of these examples, and explain how their structure and motivations

Jay Rick

6/21/21 6:27pm

Yes, I think everyone agrees private industry is better in most things.

Jstak17

6/21/21 1:58pm

jvquarterback makes a good case for freedom and against statist propaganda.

HighHorse

6/21/21 4:09pm

“Statist propaganda” like the US constitution.

Jstak17

6/21/21 4:19pm

Statist propaganda like only government and taxes can solve problems.

HighHorse

6/21/21 8:11pm

I don’t think you’ve really read any of the responses here. Because in no way

Jstak17

6/21/21 9:08pm

In one part of the thread, Social Security was brought up. In what world is SS

HighHorse

6/22/21 3:40pm

You missed the point. You said that the fear of being shot is the only reason

Jay Rick

6/19/21 7:06pm

No. There is nothing the government sells that I would not buy from someone

jvquarterback

6/19/21 7:19pm

National defense?

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:31pm

I’m interested in how you think fire departments would work. Or military.

Jay Rick

6/19/21 7:57pm

Lol. Yes John Galt you are a genius and if you shrugged the rest of us would be

jkccoug

6/19/21 8:14pm

But this doesn’t answer the question. Sure, if someone was selling it, you’d buy

Jay Rick

6/19/21 11:02pm

My problem is that it implies taxation in and of itself is immoral.

Jstak17

6/19/21 6:32pm

No by definition he’s wrong.

Linescratcher

6/19/21 6:32pm

Taxation is immoral

Jericho

6/19/21 7:03pm

Throw out the constitution?

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:05pm

A piece of paper doesn’t make something moral.

jvquarterback

6/19/21 7:21pm

I thought the extreme right were the defenders of the constitution? Except for

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:23pm

How do you propose to raise funds for a limited government? Or do you propose

Jstak17

6/19/21 7:25pm

That’s exactly what it does

Linescratcher

6/19/21 7:35pm

So you were good with slavery pre-emancipation.... interesting.

Jericho

6/19/21 7:41pm

Talking to #CbLibertarians can be like 27-year old virgins arguing about

Linescratcher

6/19/21 7:56pm

Nice dodge/Personal attack

Jericho

6/19/21 8:01pm

It was, wasn’t it!

Linescratcher

6/19/21 8:12pm

Calling something what it is does not preclude accepting reality. Taxation is

jvquarterback

6/19/21 9:05pm

It’s moral... unless it isn’t. He can’t make up his mind

Jericho

6/19/21 9:15pm

He literally just said that it’s constitutionality doesn’t make it moral.

Jay Rick

6/19/21 10:59pm

Very true. A surreal glimpse into fantasy land. Nice job dropping that “masters

Jstak17

6/19/21 8:08pm

Again, would you be willing to renounce the benefits you receive from taxation?

jkccoug

6/19/21 8:16pm

If we renounce the benefits they will

HighHorse

6/21/21 3:49pm

Then move. The constitution gives the government the right to tax you. If you

jkccoug

6/19/21 8:13pm

ok, so you love everything about the US

Jericho

6/19/21 9:17pm

Your call. But if you really think all taxation is theft then put your money

jkccoug

6/19/21 9:25pm

Keep making excuses for slavery if you must

Jericho

6/19/21 9:29pm

You apparently think it beats the alternative since you refuse to leave it even

jkccoug

6/19/21 9:50pm

You supported slavery because it was legal. Yikes

Jericho

6/19/21 9:57pm

I feel like you’re falling back on this argument because you don’t have a

Jay Rick

6/19/21 10:04pm

All they can do is muddy the water. Or change the subject to slavery lol. So

Jstak17

6/19/21 10:07pm

It’s too bad the hypocrisy of that has never been acknowledged or explained

Jericho

6/19/21 10:09pm

Address slavery? If taxes and slavery are moral equivalents in your mind, then

Jstak17

6/19/21 10:45pm

So I’ll take that to mean that you don’t have any argument or reasoning. Just

Jay Rick

6/19/21 10:57pm

I’ve gotten no substance from you or your side. It’s pretty sad

Jericho

6/20/21 1:17am

I never once said that. You’re making yourself look pretty foolish here.

Jay Rick

6/20/21 7:53am

Don’t defend slavery. There’s no need to.

Jericho

6/20/21 8:25am

I never did. “They” apparently did? A volunteer fire dept is your solution? Tell

Jay Rick

6/20/21 8:31am

RE: I never did. “They” apparently did? A volunteer fire dept is your solution?

Jericho

6/20/21 8:44am

It has been addressed. You just ignore what you can’t answer.

Jstak17

6/20/21 8:55am

Right. Slavery was just in your mind. I get it

Jericho

6/20/21 9:01am

RE: Right. Slavery was just in your mind. I get it

Jstak17

6/20/21 9:06am

I’ve been challenging you to that from the start

Jericho

6/20/21 9:11am

Just repeating the same line isn’t an argument. Maybe tell me where Alexander

Jstak17

6/20/21 12:14pm

I admitted a long time ago in this thread that it is extortion. I just don’t

Jay Rick

6/20/21 11:42am

Really? Fire departments? That's your market failure? That's easy.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 4:02pm

Assuming your anecdotal experience is accurate, I’m sure it’s meaningful to

Jay Rick

6/21/21 8:14pm

Well sure if you define something as such you get what you want.

jvquarterback

6/21/21 8:28pm

Lol. Yeah, that’s not the point. I don’t care what’s legal-but if you don’t

jkccoug

6/19/21 10:06pm

As they bleed Social Security dry

TrackCoug

6/19/21 5:14pm

They didn’t ruin SS. Government did. They were used like everyone else

Jericho

6/19/21 5:18pm

And it was the boomers in charge of the government who did it.

TrackCoug

6/19/21 5:19pm

A very select few. At the end of the day, boomers, Gen x, millennials, etc, all

Jericho

6/19/21 5:21pm

I wish they could see it. They’re blinded by the ideology unfortunately.

Adwight

6/19/21 5:35pm

Most of those policies predated the boomers

Nat Gas Man

6/19/21 9:27pm

Yes. And those who condemn the boomers support those issues like SS

HighHorse

6/21/21 4:13pm

I made the mistake of being cosigner on my daughter's student loan. Guess who's paying that off?

John Doe

6/19/21 5:14pm

Division Bell and Lifi

ekiben

6/19/21 5:17pm

RE: Division Bell and Lifi

John Doe

6/19/21 5:19pm

A good percentage of boomers are fiscal conservatives, the might be progressive,

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