it’s not even worth continuing the conversation. It’s a silly comparison that you made. Because you can’t defend the taxes are immoral stance on its own. You know there cannot be any government without them.

So what you really are is an anarchist. That’s the inevitable result of having no government.

You think the founders made a mistake by including taxes in the constitution. I’ll stick with Madison and Hamilton on this one. They were both students of history and understood these issues much better than us. Who are the mental giants that support you? Ted Kezinsky? I would wager there isn’t a single representative in the federal government that would support a no tax policy.

To be clear, I’m arguing for limited government. You are arguing for no government and anarchy. No prisons, no judiciary. Complete madness. That’s what no taxes gets you.

Interesting little history from that time. After the Revolutionary war, the nation was plunged into debt. As the country had no means to pay back the soldiers who fought. The states squabbled because there was no means to raise the funds. This was the background for the Constitution. It was clear the states would not survive a loose alliance, as many wanted, because they were already bound together by the war. And this new Union had to have the power to raise funds.

That’s not extortion or tyranny. It’s certainly not immoral. Don’t you think these men understood these issues better than us? They had just fought and won their freedom. They knew what tyranny and immoral government was from their own lives. They were God fearing, deep moral thinkers.

Hamilton addressed this in Federalist paper #30:

In the Ottoman or Turkish empire, the sovereign, though in other respects absolute master of the lives and fortunes of his subjects, has no right to impose a new tax. The consequence is that he permits the bashaws or governors of provinces to pillage the people without mercy; and, in turn, squeezes out of them the sums of which he stands in need, to satisfy his own exigencies and those of the state. In America, from a like cause, the government of the Union has gradually dwindled into a state of decay, approaching nearly to annihilation. Who can doubt, that the happiness of the people in both countries would be promoted by competent authorities in the proper hands, to provide the revenues which the necessities of the public might require?

This is why abolishing taxes completely is deeply un-American. I would love an in-depth, thought out response to this. No more one liners. Show me the great American thinkers that would support your claims.