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Jun 19, 2021
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jkccoug
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Again, would you be willing to renounce the benefits you receive from taxation?
Because if not, you are just being a hypocrite.
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One thing I know about boomers is they won't cry when the tax bill comes in. Pay
ekiben
6/19/21 4:53pm
I paid off my debt. Pay off your own.
Division Bell
6/19/21 4:55pm
Re-read the post my dude. I have no debt.
ekiben
6/19/21 4:57pm
Must be a punk kid…”my dude”
byuguns55
6/19/21 5:48pm
Maybe so. Off topic question for you. Looking for some .45 ammo and seeing your
ekiben
6/19/21 6:20pm
Get a real job and ammo is much easier to afford
byuguns55
6/20/21 5:30am
I'm following your logic. Get a better job & I can just pay up without complaint
ekiben
6/20/21 8:50am
You just have the benefit of dying before the trillions youve borrowed comes due
Linescratcher
6/19/21 5:01pm
Spot on
Backcountry
6/19/21 5:03pm
You're not speaking Russian or Chinese. You have a robust economy compared to what other generations had. You're welcome
Division Bell
6/19/21 5:07pm
Interesting what unit did you serve in during WWII?
ayfan
6/19/21 5:13pm
I wonder who's going tell him the Russian and Chinese threats came after WWII? Must be that millennial ejukation.
Division Bell
6/19/21 6:24pm
The Greatest generation is responsible for the economy was my point.
ayfan
6/19/21 6:39pm
Theres so much about this post that I loved that I had to pause & compose myself
Linescratcher
6/19/21 6:46pm
Wait, are you saying that the Cold War didn't exist? Huh.
John Doe
6/19/21 6:58pm
More boomer logic
Linescratcher
6/19/21 7:16pm
The sad fact is your kids
Division Bell
6/19/21 7:20pm
Tbh, you lie about the reasons why & how the debt was incurred,
Linescratcher
6/19/21 7:27pm
I do think the arms race of the Cold War era had a lot to do with the debt
jkccoug
6/19/21 8:09pm
I can't argue with you. Mainly because you have no idea what you're talking about.
John Doe
6/19/21 7:50pm
Thank you so much! And my friends will soon thank you for their free education.
ekiben
6/19/21 5:15pm
Yeah, not likely.
Zastava
6/19/21 5:18pm
If you have friends that are free-loaders you may want to look for new friends
byuguns55
6/19/21 5:50pm
Haven't you been paying attention. Nothing is FREE!!
ekiben
6/19/21 6:16pm
It’ll soon be “why are social security benefits taxed?”
OPINIONS
6/19/21 4:58pm
Taxation is extortion
Jericho
6/19/21 5:04pm
Truer words were never spoken.
Zastava
6/19/21 5:05pm
Sure. So what though? I like roads and I have no objection to “extorting” money
Jay Rick
6/19/21 5:37pm
RE: Sure. So what though? I like roads and I have no objection to
Jericho
6/19/21 5:42pm
You hate roads?
Jay Rick
6/19/21 6:25pm
Throwing out silly slogans is easier than answering questions. Government bad
Jstak17
6/19/21 6:45pm
Government isn’t the solution to every problem
Jericho
6/19/21 7:02pm
No one said it is. It is the solution to some problems…Like roads
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:03pm
Like roads. If the market was gonna make roads, I think it would have by now.
Jay Rick
6/19/21 7:05pm
It’s a bad solution for roads
Jericho
6/19/21 7:06pm
You’re saying it’s immoral. So it shouldn’t be a solution to anything. Which
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:13pm
The Constitution was flawed. Gave too much power to the Federal govt
Jericho
6/19/21 7:18pm
Thanks Ammon Bundy
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:22pm
You’re welcome Kim Jung Un
Jericho
6/19/21 7:27pm
Haha, my English is pretty good right?!?!?
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:29pm
That’s fine. But what’s your proposal for roads then? Or military?
Jay Rick
6/19/21 7:58pm
It’s not extortion. It’s based in the constitution and controlled under
Jstak17
6/19/21 5:55pm
How exactly is it extortion? We still can elect people that represent us and
Jstak17
6/19/21 5:54pm
It’s extortion. I don’t want to pay but I have no choice
Jericho
6/19/21 5:58pm
Ok, that’s just a pretty radical and anti constitutional way of seeing things.
Jstak17
6/19/21 6:04pm
It’s an honest assessment of taxation.
jvquarterback
6/19/21 6:15pm
There aren’t any other reasons? None? You don’t think there’s any benefit to
Jay Rick
6/19/21 6:27pm
You can justify the theft any way you like. If you have any integrity you call
jvquarterback
6/19/21 6:52pm
You just ignored his point. I guess if I’m a cop I shouldn’t accept a paycheck.
Jstak17
6/19/21 6:57pm
What point? That’s it’s not stealing if you use the money for “good” causes.
jvquarterback
6/19/21 7:17pm
That’s not integrity. It’s cognitive dissonance.
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:25pm
Whatever gets you by. I participate in the thieving but at least I’m honest
jvquarterback
6/19/21 8:55pm
I think you haven’t thought it through. I agree that over taxation is immoral.
Jstak17
6/19/21 11:00pm
No. I’m just honest with myself. Taxation is theft. If I’m in power and force
jvquarterback
6/20/21 6:22pm
Stealing is immoral. Therefore taxes are immoral. And we should get rid of them
Jstak17
6/20/21 9:52pm
That sounds like a start. Like I said, in practice most of us participate in
jvquarterback
6/21/21 11:25am
You call yourself honest, yet think that we would be better economically with no
Jstak17
6/21/21 12:23pm
^^^ Doesn't know what honesty is.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 12:34pm
Ok, let’s get rid of government. That will turn out great.
Jstak17
6/21/21 12:41pm
Depends on how you define stealing. The law certainly has plenty of different
Jstak17
6/21/21 1:30pm
There’s a lot to unpack in these discussions. Some brief thoughts:
Jay Rick
6/21/21 12:40pm
A truly utilitarian concept of “morality” has always been very problematic.
Zastava
6/21/21 1:13pm
I agree with you. I think that can all be considered as part of the calculation
Jay Rick
6/21/21 1:19pm
Integrity is the word I used. Wholeness in thought and actions.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 1:18pm
I think it actually is very hard to see that. Eg, no on this thread has been ab
Jay Rick
6/21/21 1:22pm
There are plenty of historical examples of voluntary government.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 2:05pm
It would work in isolated cases, where other strong social connections exist. It
Jstak17
6/21/21 2:12pm
What evidence do you have of that? Smaller government is always better from an
jvquarterback
6/21/21 3:18pm
A “voluntary government!?!?!? I don’t know what world you are living in.
Jstak17
6/21/21 3:45pm
It’s the American way to redefine words so you aren’t wrong. More power to you.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 8:23pm
Show me some of these examples, and explain how their structure and motivations
Jay Rick
6/21/21 6:27pm
Yes, I think everyone agrees private industry is better in most things.
Jstak17
6/21/21 1:58pm
jvquarterback makes a good case for freedom and against statist propaganda.
HighHorse
6/21/21 4:09pm
“Statist propaganda” like the US constitution.
Jstak17
6/21/21 4:19pm
Statist propaganda like only government and taxes can solve problems.
HighHorse
6/21/21 8:11pm
I don’t think you’ve really read any of the responses here. Because in no way
Jstak17
6/21/21 9:08pm
In one part of the thread, Social Security was brought up. In what world is SS
HighHorse
6/22/21 3:40pm
You missed the point. You said that the fear of being shot is the only reason
Jay Rick
6/19/21 7:06pm
No. There is nothing the government sells that I would not buy from someone
jvquarterback
6/19/21 7:19pm
National defense?
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:31pm
I’m interested in how you think fire departments would work. Or military.
Jay Rick
6/19/21 7:57pm
Lol. Yes John Galt you are a genius and if you shrugged the rest of us would be
jkccoug
6/19/21 8:14pm
But this doesn’t answer the question. Sure, if someone was selling it, you’d buy
Jay Rick
6/19/21 11:02pm
My problem is that it implies taxation in and of itself is immoral.
Jstak17
6/19/21 6:32pm
No by definition he’s wrong.
Linescratcher
6/19/21 6:32pm
Taxation is immoral
Jericho
6/19/21 7:03pm
Throw out the constitution?
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:05pm
A piece of paper doesn’t make something moral.
jvquarterback
6/19/21 7:21pm
I thought the extreme right were the defenders of the constitution? Except for
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:23pm
How do you propose to raise funds for a limited government? Or do you propose
Jstak17
6/19/21 7:25pm
That’s exactly what it does
Linescratcher
6/19/21 7:35pm
So you were good with slavery pre-emancipation.... interesting.
Jericho
6/19/21 7:41pm
Talking to #CbLibertarians can be like 27-year old virgins arguing about
Linescratcher
6/19/21 7:56pm
Nice dodge/Personal attack
Jericho
6/19/21 8:01pm
It was, wasn’t it!
Linescratcher
6/19/21 8:12pm
Calling something what it is does not preclude accepting reality. Taxation is
jvquarterback
6/19/21 9:05pm
It’s moral... unless it isn’t. He can’t make up his mind
Jericho
6/19/21 9:15pm
He literally just said that it’s constitutionality doesn’t make it moral.
Jay Rick
6/19/21 10:59pm
Very true. A surreal glimpse into fantasy land. Nice job dropping that “masters
Jstak17
6/19/21 8:08pm
Again, would you be willing to renounce the benefits you receive from taxation?
jkccoug
6/19/21 8:16pm
If we renounce the benefits they will
HighHorse
6/21/21 3:49pm
Then move. The constitution gives the government the right to tax you. If you
jkccoug
6/19/21 8:13pm
ok, so you love everything about the US
Jericho
6/19/21 9:17pm
Your call. But if you really think all taxation is theft then put your money
jkccoug
6/19/21 9:25pm
Keep making excuses for slavery if you must
Jericho
6/19/21 9:29pm
You apparently think it beats the alternative since you refuse to leave it even
jkccoug
6/19/21 9:50pm
You supported slavery because it was legal. Yikes
Jericho
6/19/21 9:57pm
I feel like you’re falling back on this argument because you don’t have a
Jay Rick
6/19/21 10:04pm
All they can do is muddy the water. Or change the subject to slavery lol. So
Jstak17
6/19/21 10:07pm
It’s too bad the hypocrisy of that has never been acknowledged or explained
Jericho
6/19/21 10:09pm
Address slavery? If taxes and slavery are moral equivalents in your mind, then
Jstak17
6/19/21 10:45pm
So I’ll take that to mean that you don’t have any argument or reasoning. Just
Jay Rick
6/19/21 10:57pm
I’ve gotten no substance from you or your side. It’s pretty sad
Jericho
6/20/21 1:17am
I never once said that. You’re making yourself look pretty foolish here.
Jay Rick
6/20/21 7:53am
Don’t defend slavery. There’s no need to.
Jericho
6/20/21 8:25am
I never did. “They” apparently did? A volunteer fire dept is your solution? Tell
Jay Rick
6/20/21 8:31am
RE: I never did. “They” apparently did? A volunteer fire dept is your solution?
Jericho
6/20/21 8:44am
It has been addressed. You just ignore what you can’t answer.
Jstak17
6/20/21 8:55am
Right. Slavery was just in your mind. I get it
Jericho
6/20/21 9:01am
RE: Right. Slavery was just in your mind. I get it
Jstak17
6/20/21 9:06am
I’ve been challenging you to that from the start
Jericho
6/20/21 9:11am
Just repeating the same line isn’t an argument. Maybe tell me where Alexander
Jstak17
6/20/21 12:14pm
I admitted a long time ago in this thread that it is extortion. I just don’t
Jay Rick
6/20/21 11:42am
Really? Fire departments? That's your market failure? That's easy.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 4:02pm
Assuming your anecdotal experience is accurate, I’m sure it’s meaningful to
Jay Rick
6/21/21 8:14pm
Well sure if you define something as such you get what you want.
jvquarterback
6/21/21 8:28pm
Lol. Yeah, that’s not the point. I don’t care what’s legal-but if you don’t
jkccoug
6/19/21 10:06pm
As they bleed Social Security dry
TrackCoug
6/19/21 5:14pm
They didn’t ruin SS. Government did. They were used like everyone else
Jericho
6/19/21 5:18pm
And it was the boomers in charge of the government who did it.
TrackCoug
6/19/21 5:19pm
A very select few. At the end of the day, boomers, Gen x, millennials, etc, all
Jericho
6/19/21 5:21pm
I wish they could see it. They’re blinded by the ideology unfortunately.
Adwight
6/19/21 5:35pm
Most of those policies predated the boomers
Nat Gas Man
6/19/21 9:27pm
Yes. And those who condemn the boomers support those issues like SS
HighHorse
6/21/21 4:13pm
I made the mistake of being cosigner on my daughter's student loan. Guess who's paying that off?
John Doe
6/19/21 5:14pm
Division Bell and Lifi
ekiben
6/19/21 5:17pm
RE: Division Bell and Lifi
John Doe
6/19/21 5:19pm
A good percentage of boomers are fiscal conservatives, the might be progressive,
Nat Gas Man
6/20/21 9:08am
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