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Feb 3, 2023
2:25:27pm

Loafer Starter

You continue to forget about the most important driver of expansion: money

Humor me: if a conference already controls a television market, would adding another school from the exact same market be additive or dilutive?

No one cares about an 8-4 team making the Rose Bowl and being destroyed. No one cares about a local brand with very little traction outside of its rather small footprint.

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Loafer

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It is 100% in BYU’s best interest for the Big 12 to invite the Arizonas

Loafer

2/3/23 11:37am

Without California I struggle to see value for the Big 12 to expand to the west

HuskerFan2

2/3/23 11:42am

There is a reason why Yormark talks about a 4th time zone.

Loafer

2/3/23 11:45am

You get Oregon and Washington, by inviting ASU and UofA.

Dryfire

2/3/23 4:10pm

UO/UW are very valuable. Others could fit your argument, but UO/UW would

BYUHgrad

2/3/23 11:56am

But not a cultural fit, I doubt they’d stay long & would be a headache

pegushin

2/3/23 3:18pm

I don't. But your pt is valid, which is why I continue to think SDSU will remain

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:06pm

I hear this a lot — where does this come from that USC won't want Oregon?

Cougsnstuffs

2/3/23 2:55pm

It goes beyond that. It's institutional envy & jealously. That swings both ways.

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 3:36pm

The B12 only really needs to try to poach 2 Pac-12 schools to destabilize the

BYUMizzou

2/3/23 11:42am

For you, are the Arizonas The two schools?

Florwood

2/3/23 11:43am

Culturally those two schools fit better than the west coast schools

BYUMizzou

2/3/23 11:48am

The Big 10 has said publicly they are not expanding

Loafer

2/3/23 11:50am

Jim Harbaugh publicly said he was staying at UM and then interviewed w/Broncos…

RossoNeri

2/3/23 11:55am

Sure, and I agree with your assessment. Cal and Stanford are next on the Big 10

Loafer

2/3/23 12:00pm

Disagree. AZ schools don't bring much value at all.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:43am

Hmm… top 8 tv market? How does that not bring value?

Loafer

2/3/23 11:46am

same way Rutgers doesn't bring the #1 Tv Market in NYC.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:49am

Yet the Big 10 added them and it increased the payout of their contract. Weird.

Loafer

2/3/23 11:51am

oh boy... sorry this thread isn't going how you'd hoped... but lol dog.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:55am

How do you think it is going, and how is that different than how I thought it

Loafer

2/3/23 11:58am

literally no one agrees with you is how it's going and the Rutgers add was a

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 12:06pm

I agree with him and disagree with you. The AZ schools coming would alone kill

YbeatsU

2/3/23 12:44pm

You must be a nobody 😉

Loafer

2/3/23 2:20pm

that's not even the arguement dude. I said they don't bring value to the BigXII

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 3:52pm

He said: “I agree with him.” I should have checked with his spokesman first.

Loafer

2/3/23 4:09pm

Geographical expansion is itself of value right now. Brand-wise

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:11pm

Unfortunately, the Arizonas by themselves aren't that appealing to either. P10 would just replace them

TFL

2/3/23 11:51am

So the Arizonas are not competitive, but CO is?

Loafer

2/3/23 11:53am

No. Utah is a homerun competitively and Utah / CU bring the same # of markets as Arizonas.

TFL

2/3/23 12:13pm

Adding Utah is not adding a new market

CameronG

2/3/23 2:23pm

You continue to forget about the most important driver of expansion: money

Loafer

2/3/23 2:25pm

This is such a silly take. Let me break it down for you.

The_Cuss

2/3/23 2:31pm

I am counting on a drastic drop off of Utah when the PAC implodes and Utah is

Loafer

2/3/23 2:35pm

Sanders will fail & be history in 3 years, imo. Even w that remarkable staff.

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:14pm

CU will be for probably the next 2-3 years

BYU Grounds

2/3/23 12:20pm

So CU is the cute girl and the yewts are the friend. Got it.

RossoNeri

2/3/23 11:57am

and what exactly does utah bring? part of a small market with little national interest? Gotcha

ManicBlue

2/3/23 12:14pm

You'll notice, they never talk about just taking the Arizonas. Or even CU and an Arizona. It's always Utah

TFL

2/3/23 1:15pm

They? Also, every deal has to have some throw-in ... just like when the pac 10 took the utes before.

ManicBlue

2/3/23 2:03pm

Funny how a PAC homer is such an expert on what the Big XII wants

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:17pm

Sounds like he's hoping for an invite rather than looking to stay in the pac 12-2 although I thought that

ManicBlue

2/3/23 2:20pm

He is clearly in full lobby mode. The shoe appears to be on the other foot.

Loafer

2/3/23 2:28pm

Substitute "begging" for "hoping" and head, meet nail.

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:29pm

There is a clear distinction between Utes like TFL who can read the writing on

Loafer

2/3/23 2:41pm

2017

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:43pm

It's not writing on the wall. Utah is in a great spot. Either P12 stays together or Utah jumps to Big 12.

TFL

2/3/23 3:41pm

A long winded response with no reference to the only thing that matters -> $$$

The_Cuss

2/3/23 3:44pm

Eyeballs = money bro. Check out Utah total TV ratings vs. CU, ASU and UofA...even the great BYU. I remember

TFL

2/3/23 6:06pm

I love how you never address the fact that the Utah market is covered with BYU

The_Cuss

2/3/23 10:15pm

BC it's not relevant. Just as you mention both AZs coming together.

TFL

2/3/23 10:59pm

The thing is, there's no "sure thing" that that yewts get into the B12...you

AlternateShot

2/3/23 3:49pm

The Big12 will invite Utah only if

byublue42

2/3/23 5:07pm

Oregon > UW >> Utah >>> CU >>>>>> Arizonas >>>>SDSU

TFL

2/3/23 6:39pm

You've become tiresome. You have an opinion. Fine. Doesn't make it fact.

AlternateShot

2/3/23 6:44pm

You guys too. Like I said, if the Pac 10 falls, you're going to be very surprised Utah gets the invite.

TFL

2/3/23 10:35pm

Don't cry when you don't get invited

ManicBlue

2/9/23 10:32pm

Are these pundits named Wilner and Canzano?

Loafer

2/10/23 10:20am

Awesome ... you have fan boards on your side. Glad Yormark is smarter than that.

ManicBlue

2/9/23 10:32pm

Don't give him too much credit, he's said UU is the safest school in the P10

tacallaway

2/3/23 6:56pm

From Jon Wilner over the summer (prior to another successful season):

TFL

2/3/23 10:44pm

Exactly, Utes have little value outside of a CURRENT winning program. Ask Utes

The_Cuss

2/3/23 2:35pm

Lol looks like we’ve got a couple experts on grading value for conference

bigbossbyu

2/3/23 12:11pm

I'm guessing those 4 teams already have a standing invitation. Doesn't mean they

BlooCoog

2/3/23 1:23pm

Not necessarily the way it works. Schools usually initiate contact, and apply.

Loafer

2/3/23 2:30pm

At least that’s what they have to say publicly. But it’s likely those

BlooCoog

2/3/23 3:04pm

That would be very poor negotiating.

Oatmeal

2/3/23 5:01pm

How many recruits on the team from Arizona?

2/3/23 1:29pm

TO Get UW we would have to take WsU

Huck

2/3/23 2:06pm

Where did you hear that? UW wants to be in the B1G, and they aren't

BYUHgrad

2/3/23 2:19pm

Hey Loafer help me understand your statement on the Arizona schools? If the

Bullrider

2/3/23 3:11pm

Take ONE AZ school and CO

2/3/23 4:39pm

Adding the AZ schools is a great idea, also gives BYU some regional conf rivals

Mitty

2/4/23 10:30am

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