The thing is, there's no "sure thing" that that yewts get into the B12...you

Feb 3, 2023
3:49:08pm

AlternateShot All-American

just assume that they're at the head of the line and there won't be any question about them landing in the B12 at all. They may or may not end up in the B12. It's not the foregone conclusion you think it is.

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It is 100% in BYU’s best interest for the Big 12 to invite the Arizonas

Loafer

2/3/23 11:37am

Without California I struggle to see value for the Big 12 to expand to the west

HuskerFan2

2/3/23 11:42am

There is a reason why Yormark talks about a 4th time zone.

Loafer

2/3/23 11:45am

You get Oregon and Washington, by inviting ASU and UofA.

Dryfire

2/3/23 4:10pm

UO/UW are very valuable. Others could fit your argument, but UO/UW would

BYUHgrad

2/3/23 11:56am

But not a cultural fit, I doubt they’d stay long & would be a headache

pegushin

2/3/23 3:18pm

I don't. But your pt is valid, which is why I continue to think SDSU will remain

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:06pm

I hear this a lot — where does this come from that USC won't want Oregon?

Cougsnstuffs

2/3/23 2:55pm

It goes beyond that. It's institutional envy & jealously. That swings both ways.

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 3:36pm

The B12 only really needs to try to poach 2 Pac-12 schools to destabilize the

BYUMizzou

2/3/23 11:42am

For you, are the Arizonas The two schools?

Florwood

2/3/23 11:43am

Culturally those two schools fit better than the west coast schools

BYUMizzou

2/3/23 11:48am

The Big 10 has said publicly they are not expanding

Loafer

2/3/23 11:50am

Jim Harbaugh publicly said he was staying at UM and then interviewed w/Broncos…

RossoNeri

2/3/23 11:55am

Sure, and I agree with your assessment. Cal and Stanford are next on the Big 10

Loafer

2/3/23 12:00pm

Disagree. AZ schools don't bring much value at all.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:43am

Hmm… top 8 tv market? How does that not bring value?

Loafer

2/3/23 11:46am

same way Rutgers doesn't bring the #1 Tv Market in NYC.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:49am

Yet the Big 10 added them and it increased the payout of their contract. Weird.

Loafer

2/3/23 11:51am

oh boy... sorry this thread isn't going how you'd hoped... but lol dog.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 11:55am

How do you think it is going, and how is that different than how I thought it

Loafer

2/3/23 11:58am

literally no one agrees with you is how it's going and the Rutgers add was a

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 12:06pm

I agree with him and disagree with you. The AZ schools coming would alone kill

YbeatsU

2/3/23 12:44pm

You must be a nobody 😉

Loafer

2/3/23 2:20pm

that's not even the arguement dude. I said they don't bring value to the BigXII

Mayor of Cougartown

2/3/23 3:52pm

He said: “I agree with him.” I should have checked with his spokesman first.

Loafer

2/3/23 4:09pm

Geographical expansion is itself of value right now. Brand-wise

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:11pm

Unfortunately, the Arizonas by themselves aren't that appealing to either. P10 would just replace them

TFL

2/3/23 11:51am

So the Arizonas are not competitive, but CO is?

Loafer

2/3/23 11:53am

No. Utah is a homerun competitively and Utah / CU bring the same # of markets as Arizonas.

TFL

2/3/23 12:13pm

Adding Utah is not adding a new market

CameronG

2/3/23 2:23pm

You continue to forget about the most important driver of expansion: money

Loafer

2/3/23 2:25pm

This is such a silly take. Let me break it down for you.

The_Cuss

2/3/23 2:31pm

I am counting on a drastic drop off of Utah when the PAC implodes and Utah is

Loafer

2/3/23 2:35pm

Sanders will fail & be history in 3 years, imo. Even w that remarkable staff.

SinkingQuffa

2/3/23 12:14pm

CU will be for probably the next 2-3 years

BYU Grounds

2/3/23 12:20pm

So CU is the cute girl and the yewts are the friend. Got it.

RossoNeri

2/3/23 11:57am

and what exactly does utah bring? part of a small market with little national interest? Gotcha

ManicBlue

2/3/23 12:14pm

You'll notice, they never talk about just taking the Arizonas. Or even CU and an Arizona. It's always Utah

TFL

2/3/23 1:15pm

They? Also, every deal has to have some throw-in ... just like when the pac 10 took the utes before.

ManicBlue

2/3/23 2:03pm

Funny how a PAC homer is such an expert on what the Big XII wants

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:17pm

Sounds like he's hoping for an invite rather than looking to stay in the pac 12-2 although I thought that

ManicBlue

2/3/23 2:20pm

He is clearly in full lobby mode. The shoe appears to be on the other foot.

Loafer

2/3/23 2:28pm

Substitute "begging" for "hoping" and head, meet nail.

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:29pm

There is a clear distinction between Utes like TFL who can read the writing on

Loafer

2/3/23 2:41pm

2017

AlternateShot

2/3/23 2:43pm

It's not writing on the wall. Utah is in a great spot. Either P12 stays together or Utah jumps to Big 12.

TFL

2/3/23 3:41pm

A long winded response with no reference to the only thing that matters -> $$$

The_Cuss

2/3/23 3:44pm

Eyeballs = money bro. Check out Utah total TV ratings vs. CU, ASU and UofA...even the great BYU. I remember

TFL

2/3/23 6:06pm

I love how you never address the fact that the Utah market is covered with BYU

The_Cuss

2/3/23 10:15pm

BC it's not relevant. Just as you mention both AZs coming together.

TFL

2/3/23 10:59pm

The thing is, there's no "sure thing" that that yewts get into the B12...you

AlternateShot

2/3/23 3:49pm

The Big12 will invite Utah only if

byublue42

2/3/23 5:07pm

Oregon > UW >> Utah >>> CU >>>>>> Arizonas >>>>SDSU

TFL

2/3/23 6:39pm

You've become tiresome. You have an opinion. Fine. Doesn't make it fact.

AlternateShot

2/3/23 6:44pm

You guys too. Like I said, if the Pac 10 falls, you're going to be very surprised Utah gets the invite.

TFL

2/3/23 10:35pm

Don't cry when you don't get invited

ManicBlue

2/9/23 10:32pm

Are these pundits named Wilner and Canzano?

Loafer

2/10/23 10:20am

Awesome ... you have fan boards on your side. Glad Yormark is smarter than that.

ManicBlue

2/9/23 10:32pm

Don't give him too much credit, he's said UU is the safest school in the P10

tacallaway

2/3/23 6:56pm

From Jon Wilner over the summer (prior to another successful season):

TFL

2/3/23 10:44pm

Exactly, Utes have little value outside of a CURRENT winning program. Ask Utes

The_Cuss

2/3/23 2:35pm

Lol looks like we’ve got a couple experts on grading value for conference

bigbossbyu

2/3/23 12:11pm

I'm guessing those 4 teams already have a standing invitation. Doesn't mean they

BlooCoog

2/3/23 1:23pm

Not necessarily the way it works. Schools usually initiate contact, and apply.

Loafer

2/3/23 2:30pm

At least that’s what they have to say publicly. But it’s likely those

BlooCoog

2/3/23 3:04pm

That would be very poor negotiating.

Oatmeal

2/3/23 5:01pm

How many recruits on the team from Arizona?

Traveling Coug

2/3/23 1:29pm

TO Get UW we would have to take WsU

Huck

2/3/23 2:06pm

Where did you hear that? UW wants to be in the B1G, and they aren't

BYUHgrad

2/3/23 2:19pm

Hey Loafer help me understand your statement on the Arizona schools? If the

Bullrider

2/3/23 3:11pm

Take ONE AZ school and CO

NorthwestCoug

2/3/23 4:39pm

Adding the AZ schools is a great idea, also gives BYU some regional conf rivals

Mitty

2/4/23 10:30am

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