The big difference is large public school vs. smaller private school

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Feb 8, 2023
6:55:50am

CougarVeteran Future Former User

The big difference is large public school vs. smaller private school

Houston has an enrollment of roughly 40,000; SMU is about 12,000 (7,000 undergrad, 5,000 graduate students). Houston is somewhat a smaller version of UCF, where the believe is the large alumni base will "come home" and support the team if they are in a P5. SMU doesn't have the alumni base to have great attendance, though they do have some rich donors that will support the programs.

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Stewart Mandel article:

rainorsnow

2/8/23 12:34am

I don't know what's worse. The fact SMU averaged less than 25,000 fans at home

Y05

2/8/23 3:24am

What's worse is

CougarLegend

2/8/23 1:04pm

Presenting the 2022 P5 sub-30,000 attendance club:

BYUlv

2/8/23 4:03am

In other words, SMU is a perfect fit for the PAC.

BYUlv

2/8/23 4:04am

I’m surprised Wazzu is that low given that they’re the only game in town

2/8/23 4:41am

Pullman is small and in the middle of nowhere. Not on Interstate system

WallaX2

2/8/23 4:50am

Plus their stadium capacity is 32,952 which means it still filled to about 80%

CameronG

2/8/23 9:39am

To be fair, WSU = small town and stadium, but very good viewership.

2/8/23 1:34pm

So the elite academic schools (Northwestern, Duke, Stanford, Vandy) ... And Washington State

krindorr

2/8/23 4:44am

I looked but I didn't see it. Found that to be curious.

BYUlv

2/8/23 1:49pm

Houston was also at 25k/game

krindorr

2/8/23 4:52am

I was going to say the same thing, except

mobomanjoe

2/8/23 5:40am

Their basketball is certainly a lot better than SMU, but it was essentially the

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:11am

I agree 100% on mocking the academic claims FYI

krindorr

2/8/23 6:14am

I don’t know who I’d choose.

mobomanjoe

2/8/23 6:44am

I agree with that, that was kind of my point

krindorr

2/8/23 6:47am

The big difference is large public school vs. smaller private school

2/8/23 6:55am

I’ve never liked the Houston choice. It was dumb to add them and most of us have said that since the beginning

2/8/23 6:12am

Who would you have added instead? I don't hate the Houston addition, but it's sounding like I'm in the minority here

krindorr

2/8/23 6:15am

Nobody. I would have just done BYU and Cincy and called it a day. Or in 2011 I would have invited BYU and Louisville and

2/8/23 6:17am

The big question is did adding UCF and Houston increase the per team payout? If

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:24am

1) I doubt it did 2) who cares about markets? Markets don’t matter. Fanbases matter. Which is UCF’s strongest point

2/8/23 6:33am

Because markets can affect fanbases. Look at WSU,they have good viewership, but

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:45am

Not really. There’s no real data that says that’s the case

2/8/23 6:59am

Because it's obvious that the general rule is the more people in your area the

SUAVO

2/8/23 7:21am

It’s not obvious. And there’s no data that says that it makes any real difference in college football.

2/8/23 7:36am

Why get data on something that is obvious. Do you really think adding a college

SUAVO

2/8/23 9:25am

It's not obvious. It's a fallacy

2/8/23 10:34am

The potential is obvious and that is what you are selling to networks when

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:17am

I think that's the point; it may be a fallacy... but it's one that networks seem to believe in

krindorr

2/8/23 11:23am

Agreed, which is why they tend to go with large markets in/around the team

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:28am

Yeah those huge markets that SEC schools are in are the reason they got such a

CameronG

2/8/23 9:48am

Ok, the SEC occupies/shares 3 of the top 10 TV markets. The big10 occupies/

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:11am

Which are those 3 markets for the SEC?

CameronG

2/8/23 11:27am

DFW, Atlanta, and Houston. When your teams are nearby big cities in large

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:35am

The schools themselves aren't located in those markets

CameronG

2/8/23 12:00pm

No, I didnt

SUAVO

2/8/23 3:46pm

Really, Cincy over UCF?

krindorr

2/8/23 6:25am

100% no question

2/8/23 6:29am

Based on?

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:31am

And an enormous student body (66k) with a rapidly increasing alumni base

LeGrandBleu

2/8/23 8:24am

Houston was a terrible addition.

2/8/23 6:22am

I'm suddenly getting the idea most feel that way. I didn't think so and hadn't heard much in that vein earlier

krindorr

2/8/23 6:27am

Who else though? Given the B12s garbage academics Boise would have gotten my

2/8/23 6:30am

Houston wasnt a terrible choice- It was a P5 level school til ‘96 as part of SWC

Das_Countach

2/8/23 6:38am

It won’t. They’re terrible and always will be. It’s a trash school that nobody cares about. Even its alumni are

2/8/23 6:43am

They've got a Heisman, they ended 2015 at #8, as high as #6 in '16, ended #17 in

Das_Countach

2/8/23 7:56am

I liked the Houston addition personally; just never realized it was so controversial

krindorr

2/8/23 8:09am

You gotta love the Chutzpah of CB. Six months shy of actually being in the

Stalwartbob

2/8/23 1:50pm

I think UH was driven by schools wanting guaranteed trips to TX areas for

bruincoug

2/8/23 6:53am

It is always good to laugh at the P10. I hear laughter is the best medicine

zia cougar

2/8/23 8:22am

Wow really surprised CAL is not on that list

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 5:27am

Cal was at 39k, #9 in the PAC ahead of Oregon St, Stanford and Wazzu

krindorr

2/8/23 5:40am

Ain’t no way Cal’s real attendance is greater than 30,000. And Georgia tech is on its way too. They’re setting all time

2/8/23 6:06am

These numbers must be paid/announced attendance, real attendance is way lower

2/8/23 8:06am

It’s always paid attendance at most places. Actual gate attendance is rare

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 8:08am

I'd like to see the sub-40,000 club. Will really make Big12 shine.

Hill4Heisman

2/8/23 10:35am

Ask and you shall receive

krindorr

2/8/23 11:02am

Has to be pointed out, many of these are probably NOT attendance numbers

Mitty

2/8/23 10:51am

My brother went to an SMU game this year

jxncoog

2/8/23 6:23am

Pooping in non-restroom facilities? They'll fit right in

Gustav

2/8/23 6:24am

SMU is the rich kids school in Texas. They ain’t got no time for CFB

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 6:25am

Maybe they would be a good fit with Utah, based on your last sentence

ldssdl

2/8/23 6:28am

I went to a few and go to some BB games. Convenient location is best I can say

bruincoug

2/8/23 6:40am

Surely Stanford, CAL, and Utah will block these additions for academic reasons

Courtimedes

2/8/23 6:32am

SMU is a good academic school

Genghis Spreads

2/8/23 6:39am

USNEWS has SMU rated #72 and BYU #89. BYU best attributes are Acct #3 and

Stalwartbob

2/8/23 7:25am

G wagons per coed SMU ranked #1, BYU #0

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 7:27am

We're a good academic school.

Genghis Spreads

2/8/23 7:32am

BYU's USNews rank peaked at #61 in 2017, but some of the recent social "issues"

Das_Countach

2/8/23 8:35am

…uuuuh, what leg does Utah have to stand on when it comes to academics??

Das_Countach

2/8/23 6:43am

RE: …uuuuh, what leg does Utah have to stand on when it comes to

Courtimedes

2/8/23 6:58am

It's not what you or I value, but the PAC focuses on research dollars

krindorr

2/8/23 8:08am

This is very interesting. Some of these schools surprise me

Dr T-bone

2/8/23 8:29am

General agreement with you, though I think that's why they value Utah

krindorr

2/8/23 9:30am

Interestingly enough, BYU has nearly 20,000 fans at sell-out basketball games

Loafer

2/8/23 8:44am

RE: Stewart Mandel article:

Wildcat70

2/8/23 2:11pm

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