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Feb 8, 2023
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ACC

Boston College (35.7k)
Georgia Tech (34.4k)
Wake Forest (30.1k)
Duke (24.5k)

Big 12

Cincinnati (38.1k)*
Houston (25.4k)*

B1G

Maryland (31.9k)
Northwestern (28.4k)

PAC

Cal (38.6k)
Oregon St (31.5k)
Stanford (30.0k)
Washington St (26.2k)

SEC

Vanderbilt (29.2k)

As an aside, here's the highest attendance among those still without P5 affiliation (based on last year's attendance)

East Carolina (39.6k)
Fresno St (39.1k)
Navy (36.2k)
Boise St (35.1k)
Appalachian St (33.6k)
San Diego St (29.9k)
South Florida (29.7k)
Army (28.6k)
Air Force (26.9k)
Colorado St (26.9k)
UTSA (26.8k)
Troy (26.3k)
Memphis (26.2k)
Southern Miss (25.1k)
SMU (25.0k)
UAB (23.1k)
James Madison (23.0k)
UNLV (22.1k)
UConn (22.1k)
Marshall (21.8k)
Liberty (21.0k)
Florida Atlantic (20.7k)
Tulane (20.4k)
Old Dominion (20.2k)
Wyoming (19.7k)

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Stewart Mandel article:

rainorsnow

2/8/23 12:34am

I don't know what's worse. The fact SMU averaged less than 25,000 fans at home

Y05

2/8/23 3:24am

What's worse is

CougarLegend

2/8/23 1:04pm

Presenting the 2022 P5 sub-30,000 attendance club:

BYUlv

2/8/23 4:03am

In other words, SMU is a perfect fit for the PAC.

BYUlv

2/8/23 4:04am

I’m surprised Wazzu is that low given that they’re the only game in town

CommodoreCoug

2/8/23 4:41am

Pullman is small and in the middle of nowhere. Not on Interstate system

WallaX2

2/8/23 4:50am

Plus their stadium capacity is 32,952 which means it still filled to about 80%

CameronG

2/8/23 9:39am

To be fair, WSU = small town and stadium, but very good viewership.

Happy As Larry

2/8/23 1:34pm

So the elite academic schools (Northwestern, Duke, Stanford, Vandy) ... And Washington State

krindorr

2/8/23 4:44am

I looked but I didn't see it. Found that to be curious.

BYUlv

2/8/23 1:49pm

Houston was also at 25k/game

krindorr

2/8/23 4:52am

I was going to say the same thing, except

mobomanjoe

2/8/23 5:40am

Their basketball is certainly a lot better than SMU, but it was essentially the

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:11am

I agree 100% on mocking the academic claims FYI

krindorr

2/8/23 6:14am

I don’t know who I’d choose.

mobomanjoe

2/8/23 6:44am

I agree with that, that was kind of my point

krindorr

2/8/23 6:47am

The big difference is large public school vs. smaller private school

CougarVeteran

2/8/23 6:55am

I’ve never liked the Houston choice. It was dumb to add them and most of us have said that since the beginning

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:12am

Who would you have added instead? I don't hate the Houston addition, but it's sounding like I'm in the minority here

krindorr

2/8/23 6:15am

Nobody. I would have just done BYU and Cincy and called it a day. Or in 2011 I would have invited BYU and Louisville and

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:17am

The big question is did adding UCF and Houston increase the per team payout? If

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:24am

1) I doubt it did 2) who cares about markets? Markets don’t matter. Fanbases matter. Which is UCF’s strongest point

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:33am

Because markets can affect fanbases. Look at WSU,they have good viewership, but

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:45am

Not really. There’s no real data that says that’s the case

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:59am

Because it's obvious that the general rule is the more people in your area the

SUAVO

2/8/23 7:21am

It’s not obvious. And there’s no data that says that it makes any real difference in college football.

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 7:36am

Why get data on something that is obvious. Do you really think adding a college

SUAVO

2/8/23 9:25am

It's not obvious. It's a fallacy

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 10:34am

The potential is obvious and that is what you are selling to networks when

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:17am

I think that's the point; it may be a fallacy... but it's one that networks seem to believe in

krindorr

2/8/23 11:23am

Agreed, which is why they tend to go with large markets in/around the team

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:28am

Yeah those huge markets that SEC schools are in are the reason they got such a

CameronG

2/8/23 9:48am

Ok, the SEC occupies/shares 3 of the top 10 TV markets. The big10 occupies/

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:11am

Which are those 3 markets for the SEC?

CameronG

2/8/23 11:27am

DFW, Atlanta, and Houston. When your teams are nearby big cities in large

SUAVO

2/8/23 11:35am

The schools themselves aren't located in those markets

CameronG

2/8/23 12:00pm

No, I didnt

SUAVO

2/8/23 3:46pm

Really, Cincy over UCF?

krindorr

2/8/23 6:25am

100% no question

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:29am

Based on?

SUAVO

2/8/23 6:31am

And an enormous student body (66k) with a rapidly increasing alumni base

LeGrandBleu

2/8/23 8:24am

Houston was a terrible addition.

Bluedomination

2/8/23 6:22am

I'm suddenly getting the idea most feel that way. I didn't think so and hadn't heard much in that vein earlier

krindorr

2/8/23 6:27am

Who else though? Given the B12s garbage academics Boise would have gotten my

Bluedomination

2/8/23 6:30am

Houston wasnt a terrible choice- It was a P5 level school til ‘96 as part of SWC

Das_Countach

2/8/23 6:38am

It won’t. They’re terrible and always will be. It’s a trash school that nobody cares about. Even its alumni are

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:43am

They've got a Heisman, they ended 2015 at #8, as high as #6 in '16, ended #17 in

Das_Countach

2/8/23 7:56am

I liked the Houston addition personally; just never realized it was so controversial

krindorr

2/8/23 8:09am

You gotta love the Chutzpah of CB. Six months shy of actually being in the

Stalwartbob

2/8/23 1:50pm

I think UH was driven by schools wanting guaranteed trips to TX areas for

bruincoug

2/8/23 6:53am

It is always good to laugh at the P10. I hear laughter is the best medicine

zia cougar

2/8/23 8:22am

Wow really surprised CAL is not on that list

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 5:27am

Cal was at 39k, #9 in the PAC ahead of Oregon St, Stanford and Wazzu

krindorr

2/8/23 5:40am

Ain’t no way Cal’s real attendance is greater than 30,000. And Georgia tech is on its way too. They’re setting all time

YIsForBrigham

2/8/23 6:06am

These numbers must be paid/announced attendance, real attendance is way lower

akbarishiwatsu

2/8/23 8:06am

It’s always paid attendance at most places. Actual gate attendance is rare

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 8:08am

I'd like to see the sub-40,000 club. Will really make Big12 shine.

Hill4Heisman

2/8/23 10:35am

Ask and you shall receive

krindorr

2/8/23 11:02am

Has to be pointed out, many of these are probably NOT attendance numbers

Mitty

2/8/23 10:51am

My brother went to an SMU game this year

jxncoog

2/8/23 6:23am

Pooping in non-restroom facilities? They'll fit right in

Gustav

2/8/23 6:24am

SMU is the rich kids school in Texas. They ain’t got no time for CFB

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 6:25am

Maybe they would be a good fit with Utah, based on your last sentence

ldssdl

2/8/23 6:28am

I went to a few and go to some BB games. Convenient location is best I can say

bruincoug

2/8/23 6:40am

Surely Stanford, CAL, and Utah will block these additions for academic reasons

Courtimedes

2/8/23 6:32am

SMU is a good academic school

Genghis Spreads

2/8/23 6:39am

USNEWS has SMU rated #72 and BYU #89. BYU best attributes are Acct #3 and

Stalwartbob

2/8/23 7:25am

G wagons per coed SMU ranked #1, BYU #0

Nat Gas Man

2/8/23 7:27am

We're a good academic school.

Genghis Spreads

2/8/23 7:32am

BYU's USNews rank peaked at #61 in 2017, but some of the recent social "issues"

Das_Countach

2/8/23 8:35am

…uuuuh, what leg does Utah have to stand on when it comes to academics??

Das_Countach

2/8/23 6:43am

RE: …uuuuh, what leg does Utah have to stand on when it comes to

Courtimedes

2/8/23 6:58am

It's not what you or I value, but the PAC focuses on research dollars

krindorr

2/8/23 8:08am

This is very interesting. Some of these schools surprise me

Dr T-bone

2/8/23 8:29am

General agreement with you, though I think that's why they value Utah

krindorr

2/8/23 9:30am

Interestingly enough, BYU has nearly 20,000 fans at sell-out basketball games

Loafer

2/8/23 8:44am

RE: Stewart Mandel article:

Wildcat70

2/8/23 2:11pm

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