2024 and the Big 12 are going to be exhilarating. Programs establishing themselves with all the parity. No blue bloods

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Mar 1, 2024
2:18:46pm

TFL Political Junky

2024 and the Big 12 are going to be exhilarating. Programs establishing themselves with all the parity. No blue bloods

I don't think any school will run the table. Especially with 9 games and a CCG.

That only happens when you have 1 or 2 programs that are head and shoulders above the others. And even then...rare.

Not with so many programs on relatively equal footing.

That said, I think 7 or even 6 wins (with the right H2H tie breakers) can merit a CCG berth.

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Wilner: "The question isn't whether Utah is ready for life in the Big 12. It's

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 1:27pm

My favorite Wilner prediction was BYU going 0-5 against P 12 in 2021.

Florwood

Mar 1, 1:30pm

And then BYU went 5-0.

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 1:38pm

A perfect score.

grosven

Mar 1, 4:54pm

Is UtahFootballGM actually Wilner?

mobius

Mar 1, 1:32pm

Or maybe Cheesefries? 🙂

greatbam

Mar 1, 2:33pm

Honestly, utah would probably be the favorite to win the Super Bowl this year if

Ojiisan

Mar 1, 1:41pm

Except for the 4 teams that beat them every year, I think they're unbeatable

tacallaway

Mar 1, 3:47pm

But most of the time they are just absolutely forcing those teams to beat them

Ojiisan

Mar 1, 3:49pm

and those really count as wins in their minds!

BYURider

Mar 1, 6:01pm

I think some of the pac12 cult got a little insecure post 2019

Avery

Mar 1, 1:46pm

“Where does Utah fit? At the top, naturally.” 😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡

Mar 1, 1:49pm

He can’t help himself but to believe the PAC 12 was superior. Even after death.

Mar 1, 1:54pm

So here's why folks on high Utah, Zona, and Colorado

Mar 1, 1:52pm

Many are pointing to what Utah did against USC in 21 and 22

Xenon

Mar 1, 2:12pm

USC that had absolutely no D

slatecoug

Mar 1, 4:07pm

Every QB and school is flawed with that level of scrutiny. The real question to ask for Rising is

TFL

Mar 1, 2:30pm

The real question is how much does the time off hurt and is he 100%

ImuaKahuku

Mar 1, 2:54pm

Time off is less relevant than overall healing and if the injury affects his running game. To install a QB

TFL

Mar 1, 3:53pm

That is so not true. Being away from the game and game reps for more than a year and a half is a real concern.

slatecoug

Mar 1, 4:10pm

They already forgot what the COVID year did to the whole PAC12

ldssdl

Mar 1, 5:09pm

I'm not disagreeing; Utah should be one of the favorites. People just expect

Mar 1, 3:19pm

But that's the whole point, right?

TFL

Mar 1, 4:08pm

Two real interesting points on this 1) it's not just Utah fans who are high on Rising & 2) the XII is stacked at QB

krindorr

Mar 2, 3:08am

How many teams get ranked based on the quality of their backup QB

Medute

Mar 2, 5:22am

A great defense with a serviceable offense does win a lot of games. I am not

HonestTakes

Mar 1, 3:07pm

Even if Cam is on par with where he was before the knee injury, Utah is only a middle of the road Big 12 team.

slatecoug

Mar 1, 4:06pm

Let's be honest they will not be middle of road. They will be top 3. There isn't

HonestTakes

Mar 1, 7:27pm

Based upon what? Their mediocre showing against the worst team in Big 12? Their mediocre showing against the PAC?

slatecoug

Mar 2, 5:17pm

Someone else who can make a ton of money by betting the under 9.5 wins

Medute

Mar 2, 5:39pm

All I'm doing is following the metrics that show there's a clear difference between the Big 12 and the PAC 12.

slatecoug

Mar 2, 6:36pm

You just seem so confident and more knowledgeable than every other major

Medute

Mar 2, 6:43pm

We have the last 3 year's track of Utah underperforming expectations as a clear road map.

slatecoug

Mar 2, 11:19pm

2021 and 2022 we hit the over on win totals and 2023 we hit the under. If I

uteman13

Mar 2, 11:58pm

All the preseason talk of competing for a playoff spot and you think you hit the over? BTW, not my expectations.

slatecoug

Mar 3, 12:15am

I'd argue it's more along the lines of one overperformance, one underperformance, and one push

krindorr

Mar 3, 1:39am

Good take. I appreciate quality inputs like this. I will avoid discussing with

uteman13

Mar 3, 10:35am

I’m not looking for a debate. I’m trying to help you cash in on your superior

Medute

Mar 3, 8:13am

Seems he’s positioning himself as a Utah writer now

Jersey hunter

Mar 1, 1:52pm

Will you film the literal poo eating if it happens?

DubuMfalme

Mar 1, 1:59pm

RE: Will you film the literal poo eating if it happens?

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 2:12pm

just to be clear, if Utah wins the Big12 in their first year, you will eat

Strawhat4life

Mar 1, 3:06pm

2024 and the Big 12 are going to be exhilarating. Programs establishing themselves with all the parity. No blue bloods

TFL

Mar 1, 2:18pm

"Maybe it's time for Wilner to leave sports journalism" : I'm sure the 3 Yewts in a basement would open up a spot..

greatbam

Mar 1, 2:32pm

No one should be surprised by Wilner’s take. I’m not surprised by yours

Medute

Mar 1, 2:33pm

Who do you think is more accurate, me or Wilner? What do you predict? If you

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 3:40pm

Here’s the thing, it’s obviously more likely Utah does not win the Big 12 in

uteman13

Mar 1, 4:18pm

My prediction is a respectable 6-6 for Utah with wins vs

MaxxPower

Mar 1, 8:16pm

Kind of weird predicting a rival to go bowling when your own team didn’t the

uteman13

Mar 2, 9:21am

How many bowl games have both teams gone to? Here you go:

MaxxPower

Mar 2, 3:09pm

Dang it you picked the trump card of stats with bowl appearances. I concede

uteman13

Mar 2, 9:58pm

Bringing up bowl games was your idea

MaxxPower

Mar 2, 10:04pm

Ok I’ll rephrase it.

uteman13

Mar 2, 10:29pm

I wouldn't have projected Utah to win 6 games with BYU's schedule last year

MaxxPower

Mar 3, 8:35am

I agree, Utah would not have won 6 games with BYUs schedule last year.

uteman13

Mar 3, 10:29am

We're talking about next year's Utah team

MaxxPower

Mar 3, 1:14pm

Ahhhh I see. So Utah only gets to .500 because this year’s Utah schedule is

uteman13

Mar 3, 1:59pm

You can be off by 3 games and still make a bunch of money

Medute

Mar 2, 3:16pm

I think Vegas/gambling sites are the most accurate. They have no bias

Medute

Mar 1, 4:27pm

So you're holding Wilner to the same journalistic standard as a random CBer?

tacallaway

Mar 1, 3:49pm

His prediction of BYU is warranted in my opinion.

davidmj10

Mar 1, 3:27pm

13 of 16? No way. I'm guessing somewhere between 6 and 10.

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 3:37pm

Last year was ugly. Not much has changed from don’t think BYU ends up that

davidmj10

Mar 1, 5:06pm

Uhhh....careful with that dog poop thing Bloocoug, CBers might hold you to it.

Ratchet

Mar 1, 3:39pm

He's honestly pretty safe; meant to reply to this one but put it in the wrong spot

krindorr

Mar 2, 12:04am

Word on the street is that Wilner and KSL/DN/SLT have each reached out

Ripliancum

Mar 1, 4:15pm

While I doubt they will go undefeated, they will be in contention. The Big12

Mar 1, 4:27pm

They say that about Utah every year lately. But then 5/4/4 losses last 3 years.

BlooCoug

Mar 1, 5:16pm

Death, taxes and Utah football.

CallSign

Mar 1, 7:08pm

Wilner is a tool. I do believe Utah will be near the top, BYU near bottom

Burton162

Mar 1, 9:16pm

Kind of feels like that dog poop guarantee isn't actually that strong; odds of all 16 finishing in exact order is tiny

krindorr

Mar 1, 11:52pm

I tried to get him to clarify what he meant, and he has not responded

Strawhat4life

Mar 2, 8:04am

It's also 8 in the morning, so there's plenty of other reasons to not respond

krindorr

Mar 2, 8:56am

I sent a message asking for clarification yesterday at 5pm

Strawhat4life

Mar 2, 10:04am

consider this your peppercorn of consideration to form this oral contract

Strawhat4life

Mar 2, 8:09am

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