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Apr 17, 2014
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jkccoug
Harvey was a substantially better receiver.
If you take into account catches, that's where Harvey passes Jamaal IMO.
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Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 9:42am
I am a huge fan of Jamaal. I think he has the opportunity to be one of the
boxydutch
4/17/14 9:48am
He had one fumble his freshman year, and one fumble last year - neither were
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 9:54am
that really is a super-valuable asset. Nothing worse than drive-stalling fumbles
boxydutch
4/17/14 9:56am
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bluescholar
4/17/14 10:05am
Very sound analysis. I love Harvey, but I agree that Jamaal is
LifeLongLakerFan
4/17/14 9:52am
Has Jamaal every fumbled? I can't remember him ever dropping the ball
catawag
4/17/14 9:53am
He has never lost a fumble. Curtis Brown, in his career, had 6 fumbles, losing 5
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 9:56am
Curtis Brown never lost a fumble. Not sure where you are getting this
thecelloguy
4/17/14 10:09am
Never mind
thecelloguy
4/17/14 10:13am
People forget that having a mobile QB also opens things up for Jamaal,
Bluedomination
4/17/14 9:55am
And a crappy o-line, compared to Harvey having a great line.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 9:58am
Yeah, but you forgot to mention that one of the most athletic Qbs in the nation
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:02am
And Harvey had an NFL FB, NFL o-linemen, and NFL TE's blocking for him, with an
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:06am
You trying to drive home your point with overemphasis on players that were
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:17am
Why are you downplaying what Jamaal did?
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:20am
LOL, I am not, I am just saying that your analysis isn't complete and yes a
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:36am
He also took a LOT of carries away from Williams.
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 10:21am
Really, he had 217 in his sophmore year and Harvey had 244, 240, and 208 in his
Bluedomination
4/17/14 11:02am
I didn't say one thing about the future. I said in their first
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 11:21am
Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams was
Bluedomination
4/17/14 11:42am
RE: Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 11:48am
Not really, Williams was a True freshman, Harvey had a grey shirt and a RS under
Bluedomination
4/17/14 12:12pm
One more piece of info:
Hoosier Coug
4/17/14 9:56am
only point I will disagree on: Rey Braithwaite was more explosive
BYUtiful
4/17/14 9:59am
Brathwaite: 5.6 ypc
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:04am
Ha--interesting; thx for looking that up
BYUtiful
4/17/14 10:07am
Almost 12% of Brathwaite's total career yards came from that one 95-yard run.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:13am
What Harvey had.
HenderCoug
4/17/14 9:59am
Unga was also probably the best RB against BCS defenses
dilbert
4/17/14 10:14am
This question interested me.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 11:19am
Thanks for looking that up
dilbert
4/17/14 11:57am
Harvey was a fantastic receiver. Seemed like they passed less and less to him..
bluecheese
4/17/14 10:01am
He had really good hands, defenses had to account for him in the passing games,
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:04am
One thing about Harvey that was very underrated was his hips
CaliWG
4/17/14 10:03am
The question was, Harvey at his peak or JW
Walter Bellhaven
4/17/14 10:04am
Harvey's peak was his freshman year.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:07am
I think his peak was his Junior year.
Walter Bellhaven
4/17/14 10:10am
While that his highest YPC (5.2), it was his lowest output
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:14am
Yeah, I'm looking at more than numbers. Just my opinion.
Walter Bellhaven
4/17/14 10:22am
Not his peak. Defenses realized they had to take him seriously. Jamaal has done
IUCougar
4/17/14 10:34am
Harvey was great. I'm not disputing that, at all.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:56am
JW barely turned 19 this month
lawboy
4/17/14 10:06am
In order to match Harvey's numbers after his junior year, Jamaal would also
bluescholar
4/17/14 10:06am
Not so fast...
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 10:59am
You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa
bluescholar
4/17/14 11:03am
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southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 11:18am
RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 11:38am
RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa
bluescholar
4/17/14 2:05pm
RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 2:33pm
Unga left after his junior season.
bluescholar
4/17/14 2:34pm
And?
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 2:46pm
Your post made no sense. Diluigi's big year was in 2010 (the year after
bluescholar
4/17/14 3:21pm
guys, we have never seen a running back like Jamaal at BYU
Cougarealist
4/17/14 10:12am
I'm sorry but I just don't see him winning the Doak Walker award. He is young
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:20am
he may not win that award, but he will be better than Luke at BYU and beyond
Cougarealist
4/17/14 10:40am
Well, it is now conclusive. How did I not see it before.
Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:45am
of course its not conclusive
Cougarealist
4/17/14 10:57am
Williams will likely never have the top end speed of Staley. Saying he will be
Bluedomination
4/17/14 12:15pm
we have two years to find out on Jamaal
Cougarealist
4/17/14 12:36pm
Luke ran a 4.42 40 at the NFL combine
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 1:10pm
LOL, laser time Jamal is in the 4.5s maybe. 11.0 isn't that fast. I don't
Bluedomination
4/17/14 5:12pm
The best I can find for J Swag is a 11.23. Further proof you are not objective..
Bluedomination
4/17/14 5:14pm
Sure, Mr. Jump to Conclusions. Don't be that guy
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 6:34pm
ok, we'll all just take your word for it
Michael Skarn
4/17/14 8:56pm
You will all be better off if you do.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:34pm
I am not disagreeing that Jamaal is the man and is/will be an amazing RB
Bluedomination
4/17/14 5:17pm
Probably not. But consider this:
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:40am
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Bluedomination
4/17/14 10:51am
Probably so but
Walter Bellhaven
4/17/14 1:22pm
This might be the best thing you've ever posted.
CougarindaOC
4/17/14 10:22am
I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely
delbert
4/17/14 10:25am
I posted this on FO yesterday: Jamaal's yards per carry, for every carry last
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:32am
Good post.
delbert
4/17/14 10:36am
RE: I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 10:39am
I've always been surprised at how well Jamaal can drag defenders.
delbert
4/17/14 10:45am
What about receiving yards? I think that was the x-factor for Harvey.
4mack
4/17/14 10:30am
Wow that's not a cheap shot.
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 10:37am
Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this
4mack
4/17/14 12:24pm
RE: Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 12:45pm
You must not remember Matt Bellini
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 3:43pm
I was young but loved watching he and his
Coug98
4/17/14 4:17pm
Jamaal might be the most dynamic back BYU has ever had.
Broda
4/17/14 10:46am
RE: Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 10:52am
^^ Exactly how I feel..
Anae4Anae
4/17/14 11:08am
Harvey's schedule was harder his freshman season than JW was
tarzan15
4/17/14 11:15am
Why can't they both be good? Why can't we like them both? it's not marriage.
Michicoug
4/17/14 10:57am
They are. They're both great.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 11:02am
?? Williams won the poll pretty convincingly, not Unga.
Undefeated
4/17/14 11:04am
There were some who expressed consternation at that result.
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 11:20am
true. we are running a pretty run happy O right now.
Undefeated
4/17/14 11:43am
Harvey was a substantially better receiver.
jkccoug
4/17/14 11:28am
How many times has Jamaal been thrown to? Harvey has more catches because
Broda
4/17/14 11:33am
Not sure but the last pass of the UVA game
Coug98
4/17/14 2:42pm
I don't remember many fantastic catches. I remember two or more crucial drops.
jkccoug
4/18/14 11:47am
DEFINITELY IYO, not fact
southernfriedcougar
4/18/14 11:53am
Helps when they actually pass to him huh?
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 11:40am
He doesn't punish like Unga, but has good pop...
TongaCougar
4/17/14 11:47am
After it is all said and DONE, MAYBE, Jamaal will be the best
Heinz57
4/17/14 11:54am
Ever?
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 12:20pm
Lakei would agree with me (we were room mates)
Heinz57
4/17/14 12:25pm
I totally agree...
TongaCougar
4/17/14 3:12pm
Well said, but not true at all .
gurt
4/17/14 12:03pm
Can you explain, or is it just your gut telling you it's not true at all?
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 12:15pm
Harvey is a better blocker and better receiver.
rcbyufan
4/17/14 2:15pm
Heres how I feel
gurt
4/17/14 8:30pm
Here's how I feel:
SoCalCoug
4/17/14 10:36pm
you do realize you're openly admitting to confirmation bias?
Michael Skarn
4/17/14 11:19pm
Total Yards is an important stat too
Mars
4/17/14 3:45pm
RE: Total Yards is an important stat too
southernfriedcougar
4/17/14 3:55pm
The stats do NOT confirm what you claim they confirm
Michael Skarn
4/17/14 5:07pm
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