of course its not conclusive

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Apr 17, 2014
10:57:00am

Cougarealist

of course its not conclusive

just dont trot out the Doak Walker as the gold standard for all running backs because its not

Winners[edit]

Toby Gerhart's Doak Walker Award on display at the Stanford Athletics Hall of Fame
Year Winner School
1990 Greg Lewis Washington
1991 Trevor Cobb Rice
1992 Garrison Hearst Georgia
1993 Byron "Bam" Morris Texas Tech
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado
1995 Eddie George Ohio State
1996 Byron Hanspard Texas Tech
1997 Ricky Williams Texas
1998 Ricky Williams Texas
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin
2000 LaDainian Tomlinson TCU
2001 Luke Staley BYU
2002 Larry Johnson Penn State
2003 Chris Perry Michigan
2004 Cedric Benson Texas
2005 Reggie Bush USC
2006 Darren McFadden Arkansas
2007 Darren McFadden Arkansas
2008 Shonn Greene Iowa
2009 Toby Gerhart Stanford
2010 LaMichael James Oregon
2011 Trent Richardson Alabama
2012 Montee Ball Wisconsin
2013 Andre Williams Boston College

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Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:42am

I am a huge fan of Jamaal. I think he has the opportunity to be one of the

boxydutch

4/17/14 9:48am

He had one fumble his freshman year, and one fumble last year - neither were

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:54am

that really is a super-valuable asset. Nothing worse than drive-stalling fumbles

boxydutch

4/17/14 9:56am

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bluescholar

4/17/14 10:05am

Very sound analysis. I love Harvey, but I agree that Jamaal is

LifeLongLakerFan

4/17/14 9:52am

Has Jamaal every fumbled? I can't remember him ever dropping the ball

catawag

4/17/14 9:53am

He has never lost a fumble. Curtis Brown, in his career, had 6 fumbles, losing 5

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:56am

Curtis Brown never lost a fumble. Not sure where you are getting this

thecelloguy

4/17/14 10:09am

Never mind

thecelloguy

4/17/14 10:13am

People forget that having a mobile QB also opens things up for Jamaal,

4/17/14 9:55am

And a crappy o-line, compared to Harvey having a great line.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:58am

Yeah, but you forgot to mention that one of the most athletic Qbs in the nation

4/17/14 10:02am

And Harvey had an NFL FB, NFL o-linemen, and NFL TE's blocking for him, with an

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:06am

You trying to drive home your point with overemphasis on players that were

4/17/14 10:17am

Why are you downplaying what Jamaal did?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:20am

LOL, I am not, I am just saying that your analysis isn't complete and yes a

4/17/14 10:36am

He also took a LOT of carries away from Williams.

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:21am

Really, he had 217 in his sophmore year and Harvey had 244, 240, and 208 in his

4/17/14 11:02am

I didn't say one thing about the future. I said in their first

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:21am

Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams was

4/17/14 11:42am

RE: Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:48am

Not really, Williams was a True freshman, Harvey had a grey shirt and a RS under

4/17/14 12:12pm

One more piece of info:

4/17/14 9:56am

only point I will disagree on: Rey Braithwaite was more explosive

BYUtiful

4/17/14 9:59am

Brathwaite: 5.6 ypc

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:04am

Ha--interesting; thx for looking that up

BYUtiful

4/17/14 10:07am

Almost 12% of Brathwaite's total career yards came from that one 95-yard run.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:13am

What Harvey had.

HenderCoug

4/17/14 9:59am

Unga was also probably the best RB against BCS defenses

dilbert

4/17/14 10:14am

This question interested me.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:19am

Thanks for looking that up

dilbert

4/17/14 11:57am

Harvey was a fantastic receiver. Seemed like they passed less and less to him..

bluecheese

4/17/14 10:01am

He had really good hands, defenses had to account for him in the passing games,

4/17/14 10:04am

One thing about Harvey that was very underrated was his hips

CaliWG

4/17/14 10:03am

The question was, Harvey at his peak or JW

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:04am

Harvey's peak was his freshman year.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:07am

I think his peak was his Junior year.

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:10am

While that his highest YPC (5.2), it was his lowest output

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:14am

Yeah, I'm looking at more than numbers. Just my opinion.

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:22am

Not his peak. Defenses realized they had to take him seriously. Jamaal has done

IUCougar

4/17/14 10:34am

Harvey was great. I'm not disputing that, at all.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:56am

JW barely turned 19 this month

lawboy

4/17/14 10:06am

In order to match Harvey's numbers after his junior year, Jamaal would also

bluescholar

4/17/14 10:06am

Not so fast...

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:59am

You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

bluescholar

4/17/14 11:03am

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southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:18am

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:38am

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

bluescholar

4/17/14 2:05pm

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 2:33pm

Unga left after his junior season.

bluescholar

4/17/14 2:34pm

And?

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 2:46pm

Your post made no sense. Diluigi's big year was in 2010 (the year after

bluescholar

4/17/14 3:21pm

guys, we have never seen a running back like Jamaal at BYU

4/17/14 10:12am

I'm sorry but I just don't see him winning the Doak Walker award. He is young

4/17/14 10:20am

he may not win that award, but he will be better than Luke at BYU and beyond

4/17/14 10:40am

Well, it is now conclusive. How did I not see it before.

4/17/14 10:45am

of course its not conclusive

4/17/14 10:57am

Williams will likely never have the top end speed of Staley. Saying he will be

4/17/14 12:15pm

we have two years to find out on Jamaal

4/17/14 12:36pm

Luke ran a 4.42 40 at the NFL combine

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 1:10pm

LOL, laser time Jamal is in the 4.5s maybe. 11.0 isn't that fast. I don't

4/17/14 5:12pm

The best I can find for J Swag is a 11.23. Further proof you are not objective..

4/17/14 5:14pm

Sure, Mr. Jump to Conclusions. Don't be that guy

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 6:34pm

ok, we'll all just take your word for it

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 8:56pm

You will all be better off if you do.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:34pm

I am not disagreeing that Jamaal is the man and is/will be an amazing RB

4/17/14 5:17pm

Probably not. But consider this:

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:40am

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4/17/14 10:51am

Probably so but

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 1:22pm

I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely

delbert

4/17/14 10:25am

I posted this on FO yesterday: Jamaal's yards per carry, for every carry last

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:32am

Good post.

delbert

4/17/14 10:36am

RE: I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:39am

I've always been surprised at how well Jamaal can drag defenders.

delbert

4/17/14 10:45am

What about receiving yards? I think that was the x-factor for Harvey.

4mack

4/17/14 10:30am

Wow that's not a cheap shot.

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:37am

Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this

4mack

4/17/14 12:24pm

RE: Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 12:45pm

You must not remember Matt Bellini

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 3:43pm

I was young but loved watching he and his

Coug98

4/17/14 4:17pm

Jamaal might be the most dynamic back BYU has ever had.

Broda

4/17/14 10:46am

RE: Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:52am

^^ Exactly how I feel..

Anae4Anae

4/17/14 11:08am

Harvey's schedule was harder his freshman season than JW was

tarzan15

4/17/14 11:15am

Why can't they both be good? Why can't we like them both? it's not marriage.

Michicoug

4/17/14 10:57am

They are. They're both great.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:02am

?? Williams won the poll pretty convincingly, not Unga.

Undefeated

4/17/14 11:04am

There were some who expressed consternation at that result.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:20am

true. we are running a pretty run happy O right now.

Undefeated

4/17/14 11:43am

Harvey was a substantially better receiver.

jkccoug

4/17/14 11:28am

How many times has Jamaal been thrown to? Harvey has more catches because

Broda

4/17/14 11:33am

Not sure but the last pass of the UVA game

Coug98

4/17/14 2:42pm

I don't remember many fantastic catches. I remember two or more crucial drops.

jkccoug

4/18/14 11:47am

DEFINITELY IYO, not fact

southernfriedcougar

4/18/14 11:53am

Helps when they actually pass to him huh?

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:40am

He doesn't punish like Unga, but has good pop...

TongaCougar

4/17/14 11:47am

After it is all said and DONE, MAYBE, Jamaal will be the best

Heinz57

4/17/14 11:54am

Ever?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 12:20pm

Lakei would agree with me (we were room mates)

Heinz57

4/17/14 12:25pm

I totally agree...

TongaCougar

4/17/14 3:12pm

Well said, but not true at all .

gurt

4/17/14 12:03pm

Can you explain, or is it just your gut telling you it's not true at all?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 12:15pm

Harvey is a better blocker and better receiver.

rcbyufan

4/17/14 2:15pm

Heres how I feel

gurt

4/17/14 8:30pm

Here's how I feel:

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:36pm

you do realize you're openly admitting to confirmation bias?

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 11:19pm

Total Yards is an important stat too

Mars

4/17/14 3:45pm

RE: Total Yards is an important stat too

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 3:55pm

The stats do NOT confirm what you claim they confirm

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 5:07pm

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