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Apr 17, 2014
8:30:17pm

gurt

Heres how I feel

This in no way denigrates Jamal. I think he is an amazing player with amazing upside. But having seen both of them play I dont need stats to tell me what I already know. And what I know is Harvey was the second best back behind Staley that we have ever had. Does Jamal have a chance to supplant him? YES! But he has not so far.

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gurt

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Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:42am

I am a huge fan of Jamaal. I think he has the opportunity to be one of the

boxydutch

4/17/14 9:48am

He had one fumble his freshman year, and one fumble last year - neither were

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:54am

that really is a super-valuable asset. Nothing worse than drive-stalling fumbles

boxydutch

4/17/14 9:56am

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bluescholar

4/17/14 10:05am

Very sound analysis. I love Harvey, but I agree that Jamaal is

LifeLongLakerFan

4/17/14 9:52am

Has Jamaal every fumbled? I can't remember him ever dropping the ball

catawag

4/17/14 9:53am

He has never lost a fumble. Curtis Brown, in his career, had 6 fumbles, losing 5

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:56am

Curtis Brown never lost a fumble. Not sure where you are getting this

thecelloguy

4/17/14 10:09am

Never mind

thecelloguy

4/17/14 10:13am

People forget that having a mobile QB also opens things up for Jamaal,

4/17/14 9:55am

And a crappy o-line, compared to Harvey having a great line.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 9:58am

Yeah, but you forgot to mention that one of the most athletic Qbs in the nation

4/17/14 10:02am

And Harvey had an NFL FB, NFL o-linemen, and NFL TE's blocking for him, with an

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:06am

You trying to drive home your point with overemphasis on players that were

4/17/14 10:17am

Why are you downplaying what Jamaal did?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:20am

LOL, I am not, I am just saying that your analysis isn't complete and yes a

4/17/14 10:36am

He also took a LOT of carries away from Williams.

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:21am

Really, he had 217 in his sophmore year and Harvey had 244, 240, and 208 in his

4/17/14 11:02am

I didn't say one thing about the future. I said in their first

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:21am

Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams was

4/17/14 11:42am

RE: Freshman seasons are not comparable, RN first of all was the Qb and Williams

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:48am

Not really, Williams was a True freshman, Harvey had a grey shirt and a RS under

4/17/14 12:12pm

One more piece of info:

4/17/14 9:56am

only point I will disagree on: Rey Braithwaite was more explosive

BYUtiful

4/17/14 9:59am

Brathwaite: 5.6 ypc

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:04am

Ha--interesting; thx for looking that up

BYUtiful

4/17/14 10:07am

Almost 12% of Brathwaite's total career yards came from that one 95-yard run.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:13am

What Harvey had.

HenderCoug

4/17/14 9:59am

Unga was also probably the best RB against BCS defenses

dilbert

4/17/14 10:14am

This question interested me.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:19am

Thanks for looking that up

dilbert

4/17/14 11:57am

Harvey was a fantastic receiver. Seemed like they passed less and less to him..

bluecheese

4/17/14 10:01am

He had really good hands, defenses had to account for him in the passing games,

4/17/14 10:04am

One thing about Harvey that was very underrated was his hips

CaliWG

4/17/14 10:03am

The question was, Harvey at his peak or JW

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:04am

Harvey's peak was his freshman year.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:07am

I think his peak was his Junior year.

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:10am

While that his highest YPC (5.2), it was his lowest output

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:14am

Yeah, I'm looking at more than numbers. Just my opinion.

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 10:22am

Not his peak. Defenses realized they had to take him seriously. Jamaal has done

IUCougar

4/17/14 10:34am

Harvey was great. I'm not disputing that, at all.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:56am

JW barely turned 19 this month

lawboy

4/17/14 10:06am

In order to match Harvey's numbers after his junior year, Jamaal would also

bluescholar

4/17/14 10:06am

Not so fast...

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:59am

You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

bluescholar

4/17/14 11:03am

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southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:18am

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:38am

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

bluescholar

4/17/14 2:05pm

RE: You forget that Jamaal may not have even played much as a freshman if Alisa

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 2:33pm

Unga left after his junior season.

bluescholar

4/17/14 2:34pm

And?

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 2:46pm

Your post made no sense. Diluigi's big year was in 2010 (the year after

bluescholar

4/17/14 3:21pm

guys, we have never seen a running back like Jamaal at BYU

4/17/14 10:12am

I'm sorry but I just don't see him winning the Doak Walker award. He is young

4/17/14 10:20am

he may not win that award, but he will be better than Luke at BYU and beyond

4/17/14 10:40am

Well, it is now conclusive. How did I not see it before.

4/17/14 10:45am

of course its not conclusive

4/17/14 10:57am

Williams will likely never have the top end speed of Staley. Saying he will be

4/17/14 12:15pm

we have two years to find out on Jamaal

4/17/14 12:36pm

Luke ran a 4.42 40 at the NFL combine

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 1:10pm

LOL, laser time Jamal is in the 4.5s maybe. 11.0 isn't that fast. I don't

4/17/14 5:12pm

The best I can find for J Swag is a 11.23. Further proof you are not objective..

4/17/14 5:14pm

Sure, Mr. Jump to Conclusions. Don't be that guy

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 6:34pm

ok, we'll all just take your word for it

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 8:56pm

You will all be better off if you do.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:34pm

I am not disagreeing that Jamaal is the man and is/will be an amazing RB

4/17/14 5:17pm

Probably not. But consider this:

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:40am

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4/17/14 10:51am

Probably so but

Walter Bellhaven

4/17/14 1:22pm

I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely

delbert

4/17/14 10:25am

I posted this on FO yesterday: Jamaal's yards per carry, for every carry last

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:32am

Good post.

delbert

4/17/14 10:36am

RE: I think the main issue you are forgetting looking at YPC is that Unga rarely

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:39am

I've always been surprised at how well Jamaal can drag defenders.

delbert

4/17/14 10:45am

What about receiving yards? I think that was the x-factor for Harvey.

4mack

4/17/14 10:30am

Wow that's not a cheap shot.

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:37am

Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this

4mack

4/17/14 12:24pm

RE: Probably came off harsher than I meant it. I was just surprised that in this

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 12:45pm

You must not remember Matt Bellini

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 3:43pm

I was young but loved watching he and his

Coug98

4/17/14 4:17pm

Jamaal might be the most dynamic back BYU has ever had.

Broda

4/17/14 10:46am

RE: Jamaal Williams vs. Harvey Unga

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 10:52am

^^ Exactly how I feel..

Anae4Anae

4/17/14 11:08am

Harvey's schedule was harder his freshman season than JW was

tarzan15

4/17/14 11:15am

Why can't they both be good? Why can't we like them both? it's not marriage.

Michicoug

4/17/14 10:57am

They are. They're both great.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:02am

?? Williams won the poll pretty convincingly, not Unga.

Undefeated

4/17/14 11:04am

There were some who expressed consternation at that result.

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 11:20am

true. we are running a pretty run happy O right now.

Undefeated

4/17/14 11:43am

Harvey was a substantially better receiver.

jkccoug

4/17/14 11:28am

How many times has Jamaal been thrown to? Harvey has more catches because

Broda

4/17/14 11:33am

Not sure but the last pass of the UVA game

Coug98

4/17/14 2:42pm

I don't remember many fantastic catches. I remember two or more crucial drops.

jkccoug

4/18/14 11:47am

DEFINITELY IYO, not fact

southernfriedcougar

4/18/14 11:53am

Helps when they actually pass to him huh?

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 11:40am

He doesn't punish like Unga, but has good pop...

TongaCougar

4/17/14 11:47am

After it is all said and DONE, MAYBE, Jamaal will be the best

Heinz57

4/17/14 11:54am

Ever?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 12:20pm

Lakei would agree with me (we were room mates)

Heinz57

4/17/14 12:25pm

I totally agree...

TongaCougar

4/17/14 3:12pm

Well said, but not true at all .

gurt

4/17/14 12:03pm

Can you explain, or is it just your gut telling you it's not true at all?

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 12:15pm

Harvey is a better blocker and better receiver.

rcbyufan

4/17/14 2:15pm

Heres how I feel

gurt

4/17/14 8:30pm

Here's how I feel:

SoCalCoug

4/17/14 10:36pm

you do realize you're openly admitting to confirmation bias?

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 11:19pm

Total Yards is an important stat too

Mars

4/17/14 3:45pm

RE: Total Yards is an important stat too

southernfriedcougar

4/17/14 3:55pm

The stats do NOT confirm what you claim they confirm

Michael Skarn

4/17/14 5:07pm

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