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Mar 5, 2015
9:39:27pm

PolarisPrime

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in one case you have garbage WCC officials who are so green that they are massively inconsistent and biased. BYU fans are starting to realize what good officials we had in the MWC/WAC. In the other case you have PAC officials who are not green but just biased. The collection of circumstantial evidence against PAC officials both in basketball and football is staggering.

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PolarisPrime

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25 most misunderstood basketball rules...

StantonMac

3/5/15 12:46pm

Part of the problem is that so many rules are different in different leagues.

SandYFan

3/5/15 12:51pm

In FIBA rules at least 13, 22, 23 & 25 are different. Pretty sure 23 is

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 1:56pm

#1: block vs charge

SJS

3/5/15 12:51pm

Problem with this is it is never consistently called...

Fdnman

3/5/15 12:52pm

It's a hard one. Have to track where players' feet are, who is moving when,

SandYFan

3/5/15 12:53pm

Actually it's not hard at all.

3/5/15 3:00pm

As far as the rule is concerned, if the defender gets there first and doesn't

db59840

3/5/15 3:09pm

It gets a little harder if the defender isn't in legal guarding position

3/5/15 4:32pm

#23 FTW! People never understand that yewtin' rule

3/5/15 12:51pm

23 is a little incomplete

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:25pm

I was thinking 23 was wrong on dribble.

PJMort

3/5/15 4:21pm

Is a pivot foot established if you obtain the ball while only having one foot on

QBarrister

3/5/15 4:39pm

Yes. The foot on the ground is the pivot foot.

Y'zFan

3/5/15 7:51pm

So then in the fastbreak layup scenario, the catcher is supposed to catch the

QBarrister

3/6/15 8:06am

His foot can come off the ground as long as he releases the shot before

Y'zFan

3/6/15 9:00pm

11 and 23 are called constantly, especially in pickup ball.

Thrill

3/5/15 12:53pm

The Euro step looks all the world like traveling, though. I kinda hate it.

SandYFan

3/5/15 12:54pm

Love the euro step

CSoul

3/5/15 12:59pm

People who do Euro steps usually travel while doing so. Another thing people

db59840

3/5/15 1:28pm

yup

icecougar

3/5/15 3:23pm

otoh, kids today don't understand that when you catch the ball in a stationery..

icecougar

3/5/15 3:22pm

#20 block/charge: anyone who thinks you can't be moving to take a charge is dumb

SoCalCoug6

3/5/15 12:55pm

My understanding

22jrob22

3/5/15 1:02pm

#1 - A defender does not have to fall for a charge to be called.

CosmoK

3/5/15 3:38pm

Haha, there's a lot of dumb refs out there.

3/5/15 1:06pm

9 is interesting.

SandYFan

3/5/15 12:56pm

Yeah, amazing how many bball players don't realize this rule.

SoCalCoug6

3/5/15 12:58pm

This rule is used alot in church ball due to subpar shooters!

Cougz19

3/5/15 2:08pm

Did not know this rule#9.... good to know. Do pro's have the same rule?

3/5/15 3:58pm

Its different in the NBA

CaliWG

3/5/15 4:25pm

#22

22jrob22

3/5/15 12:56pm

Likely, the list is put together by "rules interpreter" for the OSAA, not UHSAA.

ByuMba90

3/5/15 1:15pm

player control

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:34pm

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SlavaBlue

3/5/15 12:59pm

RE: #13 - I feel like I've always seen the top called out of bounds.

FootBackwards

3/5/15 1:51pm

This gets called in church ball a lot, but it is the incorrect call

CougarBacker

3/5/15 1:53pm

As a high school and county rec official, it's mind numbing how many spectators

CougarBacker

3/5/15 1:58pm

I would get that from a lot of players. They would say "I took two steps". I

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 2:04pm

The other one I used to get all the time was the people who would whine about

CougarBacker

3/5/15 2:12pm

Of course, you always have the crowd who wants an and one after getting fouled

CougarBacker

3/5/15 2:14pm

I had a really noisy fan in an empty gym (maybe 20 spectators) really yelling

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 2:21pm

Haha those guys are the best. The ones that don't know the rules, but they're

CougarBacker

3/5/15 2:25pm

Nothing on carrying the ball while dribbling; did you watch I. Thomas vs Jazz?

Hinta

3/5/15 1:00pm

See #7

BYUBandfan

3/5/15 1:08pm

Yeah, carrying happens ALL the time in basketball. It's just rarely called. In

db59840

3/5/15 1:16pm

Fantastic stuff ... well said.

tassell

3/5/15 1:00pm

who thinks #6 isn't true?

fattycoug

3/5/15 1:04pm

traveling

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:37pm

#8 used to be all contact with the foot at least at the HS level. Must have

db59840

3/5/15 1:05pm

Its always been intentional

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:39pm

#3 is misleading. There is usually contact when someone reaches over another

db59840

3/5/15 1:09pm

I think the idea is contact vs pushing

22jrob22

3/5/15 1:14pm

but the player being "reached over" is often the one to initiate contact

fattycoug

3/5/15 1:15pm

Right. I have a problem when the offensive player clearly reaches over the

db59840

3/5/15 1:23pm

but why should the boxing player be able to push the other player?

fattycoug

3/5/15 1:34pm

Actually, I think you're right. I don't see anything in the rulebook about

db59840

3/5/15 1:39pm

boxing out

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:45pm

My coaches/Dad always taught me that too, but I guess they were wrong.

db59840

3/5/15 4:01pm

similar to slide tackles from behind in soccer

blucoug18

3/5/15 1:55pm

reaching over

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:41pm

That's why good coaches always have their players jump for rebounds

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 4:19pm

the hand part of the ball rule...seems like nobody's heard of that one.

Government Bailout

3/5/15 1:11pm

Whenever I bring that up in pickup games, almost no one believes me.

db59840

3/5/15 1:13pm

i started to doubt myself, but i might print this out and take it from now on!

Government Bailout

3/5/15 1:29pm

Haha. Sometimes I go to the phone between games and pull it up on the NCAA

db59840

3/5/15 1:31pm

I thought that was a myth - interesting to see it in writing

dryflyelk

3/5/15 1:29pm

not when shooting

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:48pm

incorrect. Rule 10 article 2 of the NCAA mens basketball rulebook.

Government Bailout

3/5/15 3:57pm

You're right

sdg_coug

3/5/15 4:29pm

Just so I am clear. When I am shooting a shot

BYUALWAYSNUM1

3/5/15 9:53pm

yep, legal play.

sdg_coug

3/8/15 10:48am

Re: #16: Why was Worthington's "box-out" during the KC dunk last Saturday

db59840

3/5/15 1:13pm

When done near the basket, can be seen as trying to "establish" a position, even

byufan007

3/5/15 1:34pm

It was definitely a foul on Worthington. No doubt. But the clever players make

tassell

3/5/15 1:35pm

Inside the key, that is rarely called. If he had that sort of contact

Thrill

3/5/15 2:25pm

CB needs to have a ticker at the bottom of the board with these rules during

3/5/15 1:14pm

#12 is always called on the defender, you almost never see it called on the

3/5/15 1:16pm

Yep. I hate that so much. I always get fouls called on me when I take a wide

db59840

3/5/15 1:19pm

Legal guarding position requires shoulders and knees to be close to vertical.

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 4:24pm

There is no definition of how wide is too wide though.

db59840

3/5/15 4:39pm

Here is how FIBA describes it. I'm sure other rule books have their own

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 5:16pm

Well, that's about as wide as I ever place my feet, so I stand by my position.

db59840

3/9/15 9:46am

never seen a push off called

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:52pm

My HS coach made sure we understood the rules, #9 has caused a ton

CaliWG

3/5/15 1:20pm

airball

sdg_coug

3/5/15 3:52pm

TRAVELING: when you slide across the floor with the ball in your hand,

dryflyelk

3/5/15 1:26pm

False. Rolling on the ground is a travel. Sliding used to be, but now it has

rggee

3/5/15 1:49pm

Also has to do with whether control of the ball is established or if the ball is

byufan007

3/5/15 1:58pm

This is from the 2015 NCAA Rules Case Book.

rggee

3/5/15 2:03pm

Right - so you CAN slide across the floor as long as its from initial momentum

dryflyelk

3/5/15 2:36pm

I'm glad they changed it. Rewards hustle.

ToughGuy

3/5/15 3:11pm

The "advantage" thing is way too subjective for me. I hate

gwalker

3/5/15 1:28pm

i.e. every time Waldow has the ball. Shaq did it too. You shouldn't just be

db59840

3/5/15 1:30pm

Dont bring the NBA into a discussion about rules.

3/5/15 3:11pm

that's why I hate the NBA...

icecougar

3/5/15 3:49pm

Amen.

3/5/15 4:36pm

the rule isn't vague, it's easy to see that when Waldow slams his shoulder...

icecougar

3/5/15 3:46pm

The way Bogut and Miles went at it in the post

3/5/15 4:38pm

I always felt bad for Worthington and Mika last year...

icecougar

3/5/15 7:19pm

Both true

3/5/15 9:39pm

Pac12 officals are the one clear advantage that Utah received when they...

icecougar

3/7/15 8:41pm

There are far more than two examples.

3/7/15 9:51pm

Good link for anyone interested in stuff like this

22jrob22

3/5/15 1:32pm

I always thought with #8, the kicked ball, if the foot was in the air and it

budYu

3/5/15 2:15pm

I didn't know the one about the pivot foot having to come back down. Interesting

3/5/15 2:17pm

only for shooting, passing

sdg_coug

3/5/15 4:01pm

I've coached basketball for thirty years and that was informative.

gstodd

3/5/15 2:25pm

30 years is a long time

sdg_coug

3/5/15 4:03pm

Thanks for the compliment. Obviously, you are aware of how ambiguous the rules

gstodd

3/7/15 6:44pm

Ive reffed basketball for almost as long

3/5/15 4:39pm

3, 4 and 8 are what I see most.

Walter Bellhaven

3/5/15 2:46pm

I hate the proliferation of pushing off that I see now with guards...

icecougar

3/5/15 3:57pm

High school kids around here constantly dribble with their arm out...

bluecheese

3/5/15 4:08pm

Over and back is really misunderstood too.

bluecheese

3/5/15 4:10pm

Also a lot of kids think that if there's a shot you can get called for backcourt

tebowned

3/5/15 4:28pm

Is it back court if....

3/5/15 6:13pm

It is in FIBA

downtownchrisbrown

3/5/15 6:20pm

No. Control must be established. Offense can even tip it into the backcourt on a

cucciolo25

3/5/15 7:38pm

Yes, this is a backcourt violation

sdg_coug

3/6/15 11:59am

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