RE: At the end of the day we'll keep coming back to this...he's just an average

May 6, 2015
4:00:03pm

Bensoncoug

I think he is an excellent head coach. Coaching at BYU has to be one of the most difficult jobs in the country, with the Honor code and with players leaving on missions. I think BYU fans are just unrealistic about their expectations!

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At the end of the day we'll keep coming back to this...he's just an average HC.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 3:31pm

Average in relation to what?

mulletYno

5/6/15 3:34pm

Average in that an average coach could have a higher winning%

Indy Coug

5/6/15 3:36pm

I keep thinking that an "average" coach would have a .500 record each year.

ByuMba90

5/6/15 3:38pm

Here are the team records since 2005

Indy Coug

5/6/15 3:39pm

So 53-54% is the "average" cumulative record? Am I reading that right? As for

ByuMba90

5/6/15 3:42pm

BYU 18th out of 128 teams. BYU fans seriously have unrealistic expectations

runnincoug

5/6/15 3:45pm

And every other D1 team above BYU has at least 1 BCS bowl appearnace or more.

Turnpike Lane

5/6/15 3:49pm

Sure. I deserve a million bucks. I have a right to that too, right?

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:03pm

You're not considering our schedule

checoug

5/6/15 3:58pm

What is BYU's Sagarin rating average since 2005 which takes into account SOS?

mulletYno

5/6/15 4:02pm

Exactly. Playing an Idaho State or Wagner doesn't negate overall SOS

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:03pm

but when you fill up a schedule with teams like that or...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:24pm

they never do

icecougar

5/6/15 9:11pm

You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:20pm

RE: You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

icecougar

5/6/15 9:25pm

But Sagarin does that for you. And BYU still looks good...so...

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:31pm

RE: But Sagarin does that for you. And BYU still looks good...so...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:42pm

He didn't join the staff after Crowton left...and Crowton didn't touch the D.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:53pm

He joined the staff at BYU for the 2003 season which means...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:12pm

But definitely more than zero...

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:26pm

yes, definitely more than zero

icecougar

5/6/15 10:31pm

compare SOS's for those teams ahead of BYU and behind them...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:10pm

Um, that is what Sagarin is for. They're 32nd adjusting for SOS. 16th on

mulletYno

5/6/15 9:14pm

RE: Um, that is what Sagarin is for. They're 32nd adjusting for SOS. 16th on

icecougar

5/6/15 9:29pm

OK, I have to quibble with that. It shows "actual game results." Psh...Who cares

BarraCouga

5/6/15 3:47pm

Actually, #16. Take out Old Dominion and Appy St.

boscatar

5/6/15 4:03pm

RE: Average in that an average coach could have a higher winning%

ZooBlue

5/6/15 6:02pm

BTW, your sig is perfect for you...

ZooBlue

5/6/15 6:03pm

How do you know until he coaches somewhere else?

boogers

5/6/15 3:35pm

That's going to be hard to judge since Bronco would be expected to work more

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 4:43pm

Wow. What a low, cheap thing to say. Seriously?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 4:54pm

I think he'd be expected to work more elsewhere, and I'm not taking a shot at

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 6:12pm

You get it.

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 6:13pm

You're obviously oblivious to statements Bronco has made about working.

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 6:12pm

No. I'm very aware. But the myth has been debunked.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 7:57pm

Debunk this

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 8:13pm

Myth debunking has been debunked!

icecougar

5/6/15 10:13pm

Relax BC. No reason to get all bent out of shape. This is a message board where

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 8:40pm

The implication that he doesn't work hard is just so, so wrong.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 8:45pm

You haven't debunked my post. I am not questioning Bronco at all, just making

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 9:14pm

Morally wrong? Um, ok. Technically wrong, maybe, but calling it morally wrong

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 9:21pm

I don't think so. Not a single poster on this board knows how hard he works.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:40pm

Dude, seriously, you need to relax before your head pops off. Nobody is

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 9:51pm

He has a strong work ethic too. Suggesting otherwise is simply wrong.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:11pm

Please show where someone in this thread said, "He doesn't work hard" or...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:19pm

Myths aren't formed in a single thread. And you know that.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:24pm

Nobody is assassinating your brother's character. Freakin relax.

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 10:29pm

nobody in this thread said he doesn't work his butt off...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:30pm

El Loco!

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 11:19pm

Ladders of Inference

icecougar

5/6/15 10:16pm

RE: The implication that he doesn't work hard is just so, so wrong.

kahuna

5/6/15 10:16pm

no it hasn't. Link to Bronco talking about his unique coaching model

icecougar

5/6/15 9:50pm

Chillax dude...SoValleyCoug's post wasn't questioning his work ethic

icecougar

5/6/15 9:57pm

Bronco has talked openly about his coaching model and not putting in the hours..

icecougar

5/6/15 9:21pm

I have zero interest in having a coach at BYU that neglects his family.

mulletYno

5/6/15 9:31pm

I didn't say I expected him to work more...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:41pm

We should replace him with an above average HC. Like right now.

Deadpool

5/6/15 3:36pm

I would say he is average at hiring, which in fairness is a big part of being a

Cougar TD

5/6/15 3:37pm

Yep. Just an average HC with a much better record than 85% of other coaches.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 3:44pm

Yes because all records are created equal. He's a god among men.

SandYFan

5/6/15 3:46pm

yes. BYU win over Idaho = Penn St win over Ohio St or Utah win over Alabama

icecougar

5/6/15 10:21pm

Maybe he recruits too many RM's?

checoug

5/6/15 3:59pm

Well he certainly has his hand firmly on the small of your back.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:02pm

When was the last time BYU was great? 96?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 4:31pm

RE: At the end of the day we'll keep coming back to this...he's just an average

Bensoncoug

5/6/15 4:00pm

If you're telling me we've topped out, gonna be hard to stay engaged as a fan.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:08pm

I think he varies between average and above average. Some games he's an above

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 4:10pm

Let's be honest. I think people are asking for an "elite" coach. Therefore,

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:11pm

There's no such thing as an elite coach without elite talent. They don't exist.

mulletYno

5/6/15 4:12pm

Let's be honest. I think people are asking for an "elite" coach. Therefore, BC

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:15pm

Is it bashing to be called average?

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:16pm

In most contexts on CB, yes, I believe it is. Perhaps you did not mean it to be.

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:23pm

It sounds that way when it's "he's average --- fire him!"

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:29pm

Stupid banter?

checoug

5/6/15 4:31pm

proof is in the pudding

kiyoshige

5/6/15 5:27pm

True, but Bronco would not have lasted this long at many other D1 schools. His

Texas Hammer

5/6/15 6:09pm

Most schools would KILL for his on field performance.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 6:13pm

i don't sit on BOT so I don't know how much they "weight" on vs. off field

kiyoshige

5/6/15 7:35pm

Mouse in your pocket?

mtnKat

5/6/15 6:54pm

When media professionals and Bronco's peers say he is coaching with one arm tied

dultso

5/6/15 8:58pm

I consider him above average

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