RE: You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

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May 6, 2015
9:25:10pm

icecougar

RE: You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

I realize that and have great respect for Sagarin. I post frequently using his ratings. I was commenting that when ever apologists post comments about Bronco's win/loss record as being stellar that they do that without considering the relatively easy SOS he typically has faced.

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At the end of the day we'll keep coming back to this...he's just an average HC.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 3:31pm

Average in relation to what?

mulletYno

5/6/15 3:34pm

Average in that an average coach could have a higher winning%

Indy Coug

5/6/15 3:36pm

I keep thinking that an "average" coach would have a .500 record each year.

ByuMba90

5/6/15 3:38pm

Here are the team records since 2005

Indy Coug

5/6/15 3:39pm

So 53-54% is the "average" cumulative record? Am I reading that right? As for

ByuMba90

5/6/15 3:42pm

BYU 18th out of 128 teams. BYU fans seriously have unrealistic expectations

runnincoug

5/6/15 3:45pm

And every other D1 team above BYU has at least 1 BCS bowl appearnace or more.

5/6/15 3:49pm

Sure. I deserve a million bucks. I have a right to that too, right?

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:03pm

You're not considering our schedule

checoug

5/6/15 3:58pm

What is BYU's Sagarin rating average since 2005 which takes into account SOS?

mulletYno

5/6/15 4:02pm

Exactly. Playing an Idaho State or Wagner doesn't negate overall SOS

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:03pm

but when you fill up a schedule with teams like that or...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:24pm

they never do

icecougar

5/6/15 9:11pm

You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:20pm

RE: You do know Sagarin is an MIT mathematician right?

icecougar

5/6/15 9:25pm

But Sagarin does that for you. And BYU still looks good...so...

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:31pm

RE: But Sagarin does that for you. And BYU still looks good...so...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:42pm

He didn't join the staff after Crowton left...and Crowton didn't touch the D.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:53pm

He joined the staff at BYU for the 2003 season which means...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:12pm

But definitely more than zero...

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:26pm

yes, definitely more than zero

icecougar

5/6/15 10:31pm

compare SOS's for those teams ahead of BYU and behind them...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:10pm

Um, that is what Sagarin is for. They're 32nd adjusting for SOS. 16th on

mulletYno

5/6/15 9:14pm

RE: Um, that is what Sagarin is for. They're 32nd adjusting for SOS. 16th on

icecougar

5/6/15 9:29pm

OK, I have to quibble with that. It shows "actual game results." Psh...Who cares

BarraCouga

5/6/15 3:47pm

Actually, #16. Take out Old Dominion and Appy St.

boscatar

5/6/15 4:03pm

RE: Average in that an average coach could have a higher winning%

ZooBlue

5/6/15 6:02pm

BTW, your sig is perfect for you...

ZooBlue

5/6/15 6:03pm

How do you know until he coaches somewhere else?

boogers

5/6/15 3:35pm

That's going to be hard to judge since Bronco would be expected to work more

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 4:43pm

Wow. What a low, cheap thing to say. Seriously?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 4:54pm

I think he'd be expected to work more elsewhere, and I'm not taking a shot at

5/6/15 6:12pm

You get it.

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 6:13pm

You're obviously oblivious to statements Bronco has made about working.

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 6:12pm

No. I'm very aware. But the myth has been debunked.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 7:57pm

Debunk this

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 8:13pm

Myth debunking has been debunked!

icecougar

5/6/15 10:13pm

Relax BC. No reason to get all bent out of shape. This is a message board where

5/6/15 8:40pm

The implication that he doesn't work hard is just so, so wrong.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 8:45pm

You haven't debunked my post. I am not questioning Bronco at all, just making

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 9:14pm

Morally wrong? Um, ok. Technically wrong, maybe, but calling it morally wrong

5/6/15 9:21pm

I don't think so. Not a single poster on this board knows how hard he works.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 9:40pm

Dude, seriously, you need to relax before your head pops off. Nobody is

5/6/15 9:51pm

He has a strong work ethic too. Suggesting otherwise is simply wrong.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:11pm

Please show where someone in this thread said, "He doesn't work hard" or...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:19pm

Myths aren't formed in a single thread. And you know that.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 10:24pm

Nobody is assassinating your brother's character. Freakin relax.

5/6/15 10:29pm

nobody in this thread said he doesn't work his butt off...

icecougar

5/6/15 10:30pm

El Loco!

SoValleyCOUG

5/6/15 11:19pm

Ladders of Inference

icecougar

5/6/15 10:16pm

RE: The implication that he doesn't work hard is just so, so wrong.

kahuna

5/6/15 10:16pm

no it hasn't. Link to Bronco talking about his unique coaching model

icecougar

5/6/15 9:50pm

Chillax dude...SoValleyCoug's post wasn't questioning his work ethic

icecougar

5/6/15 9:57pm

Bronco has talked openly about his coaching model and not putting in the hours..

icecougar

5/6/15 9:21pm

I have zero interest in having a coach at BYU that neglects his family.

mulletYno

5/6/15 9:31pm

I didn't say I expected him to work more...

icecougar

5/6/15 9:41pm

We should replace him with an above average HC. Like right now.

Deadpool

5/6/15 3:36pm

I would say he is average at hiring, which in fairness is a big part of being a

Cougar TD

5/6/15 3:37pm

Yep. Just an average HC with a much better record than 85% of other coaches.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 3:44pm

Yes because all records are created equal. He's a god among men.

SandYFan

5/6/15 3:46pm

yes. BYU win over Idaho = Penn St win over Ohio St or Utah win over Alabama

icecougar

5/6/15 10:21pm

Maybe he recruits too many RM's?

checoug

5/6/15 3:59pm

Well he certainly has his hand firmly on the small of your back.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:02pm

When was the last time BYU was great? 96?

BarraCouga

5/6/15 4:31pm

RE: At the end of the day we'll keep coming back to this...he's just an average

Bensoncoug

5/6/15 4:00pm

If you're telling me we've topped out, gonna be hard to stay engaged as a fan.

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:08pm

I think he varies between average and above average. Some games he's an above

5/6/15 4:10pm

Let's be honest. I think people are asking for an "elite" coach. Therefore,

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:11pm

There's no such thing as an elite coach without elite talent. They don't exist.

mulletYno

5/6/15 4:12pm

Let's be honest. I think people are asking for an "elite" coach. Therefore, BC

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:15pm

Is it bashing to be called average?

Grit for Brains

5/6/15 4:16pm

In most contexts on CB, yes, I believe it is. Perhaps you did not mean it to be.

Boomcannon

5/6/15 4:23pm

It sounds that way when it's "he's average --- fire him!"

runnincoug

5/6/15 4:29pm

Stupid banter?

checoug

5/6/15 4:31pm

proof is in the pudding

kiyoshige

5/6/15 5:27pm

True, but Bronco would not have lasted this long at many other D1 schools. His

5/6/15 6:09pm

Most schools would KILL for his on field performance.

BarraCouga

5/6/15 6:13pm

i don't sit on BOT so I don't know how much they "weight" on vs. off field

kiyoshige

5/6/15 7:35pm

Mouse in your pocket?

mtnKat

5/6/15 6:54pm

When media professionals and Bronco's peers say he is coaching with one arm tied

dultso

5/6/15 8:58pm

I consider him above average

icecougar

5/6/15 9:08pm

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