Why is it necessary to be "forced" to hand out stiffer penalties...

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Jan 29, 2016
8:29:50am

Smoke Monster All-American

once word gets out of what was done? All that still needs to be mentioned is, "we took care of it. Move on."

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Smoke Monster

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P Norton laying the smack-down. Every Cougar fan should know this.

LegitCoug

1/29/16 8:20am

i F O nly there was a place we could talk in secret.

Cougarclaw

1/29/16 8:24am

Or not at all 😊

ArcticKat

1/29/16 8:44am

and the media didn't exist

Acorn

1/29/16 8:50am

Because a coordinated effort to spike stories and censor bad press always works

Linescratcher

1/29/16 8:26am

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kunarcougar

1/29/16 8:29am

Sure. That's pretty much what they do now.

Linescratcher

1/29/16 8:32am

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kunarcougar

1/29/16 8:41am

I think it was a problem this time, they made no announcement

mogelijk

1/29/16 11:55am

I don't think anyone is asking BYU to change what they do - we just want the

crack

1/29/16 8:31am

I'm asking BYU to change what they do.

Linescratcher

1/29/16 8:34am

I think that is a different discussion- although I would like to see some

crack

1/29/16 8:47am

RE: I think that is a different discussion- although I would like to see some

blu76

1/29/16 9:18am

That's the best way to handle it - imo. Between the student and Bishop or other

crack

1/29/16 9:24am

RE: I think that is a different discussion- although I would like to see some

MoMoney88

1/29/16 11:23am

No it's not - there are all kinds of HC breaches that I know about that have never hit CB or Twitter.

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 8:53am

IF that's the case--and it might be--then there's not a problem to address.

Linescratcher

1/29/16 8:55am

they're trying to limit the leaks to 100%. It won't happen (obviously) but it's reasonable to push to get as close

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 9:58am

Discretion is a thing of the past. Sad but true.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/29/16 12:47pm

This is true, but it is unrealistic to assume it is possible to go back to the

Iman23

1/29/16 8:27am

I agree, but...

LegitCoug

1/29/16 8:34am

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DaCougEye

1/29/16 11:51am

troll - just go away

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 11:52am

The honor code was set up by a student council in the 40's. It is outdated.

Gene Frenkle

1/29/16 5:01pm

It seems to me it isn't the UU fans with cameras that he is talking about. It

Real G Man

1/29/16 8:36am

Agreed. I think you are right. Nobody eats their own better than BYU fans

Iman23

1/29/16 8:37am

So let the Ute fans break all the stories. BYU fans keep their traps shut.

Cougarclaw

1/29/16 8:40am

Yeah, letting your rival set the narrative is a great idea.

Iman23

1/29/16 8:41am

So let's counter with "none of our business" or the like instead of digging deeper into the story and shouting from

CalGTR

1/29/16 8:50am

Yewts will be Yewts - but Cougs putting it out there is ridiculous and we should call them on it.

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 8:54am

Why is it necessary to be "forced" to hand out stiffer penalties...

Smoke Monster

1/29/16 8:29am

Because the LDS church is sensitive to any bad PR from local or national media

byukarl

1/29/16 8:50am

Mormons eat their own!

Tsisquan

1/29/16 6:05pm

Moreso than any culture I know of.

MatthiasG

1/29/16 11:35pm

Once details are known, folks will have expectations with respect to punishment. If the details are not known, BYU can

CalGTR

1/29/16 8:55am

Folks need to stop picking up stones and need to mind their own business

Smoke Monster

1/29/16 8:56am

Absolutely. And that includes BYU fans.

CalGTR

1/29/16 8:59am

Uh, look what group you're talking about.

southernfriedcougar

1/29/16 9:05am

It's about trying to establish a culture of keeping HC issues private. No sense giving up due to some folks that seem

CalGTR

1/29/16 9:08am

The only way this is honestly going to happen is by changing the Honor code...

Smoke Monster

1/29/16 9:13am

There is much improvement to be made among our fanbase on this issue even without changes to how the HC is administered.

CalGTR

1/29/16 9:17am

You can't fix a fan base lol

thebruce

1/29/16 9:47am

This is exactly correct. Anything else is a crappy band-aid.

Linescratcher

1/29/16 9:17am

Which brings us to the next question. Why is some kid drinking beer or having

Singcat

1/29/16 9:42am

Really, how well do you understand the Gospel? Maybe the church should end all

Northern Blue

1/29/16 9:59am

Absolutely, don't give up. But look what you're fighting against.

southernfriedcougar

1/29/16 10:48am

Spot on... That is a very sad reality.

Smoke Monster

1/29/16 10:49am

It's certainly a very uphill climb.

CalGTR

1/29/16 11:02am

"It was out of love and concern" I discussed your problems w everyone except you

MatthiasG

1/29/16 11:38pm

sometimes these HC breeches are against the law and will get the police involved - and all schools have reputations that

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 8:55am

And in Utah, even if it doesn't break the law, it offends some "very righteous"

Wedgetail

1/29/16 9:22am

Breaking the law is a whole different matter ...

Smoke Monster

1/29/16 9:36am

I don't think it's so black and white - plenty of laws are regularly broken but only selectively enforced. Let's take

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 9:46am

Or...players could stop doing stupid stuff. That would help.

Iman23

1/29/16 8:33am

The discussion is not about the stupid stuff the players do it is about the

Real G Man

1/29/16 8:42am

lol ^^^ first posts about being "realistic" just above.

southernfriedcougar

1/29/16 8:55am

If you didn't do stupid stuff I wouldn't be forced to gossip. Gosh!

Metallicat

1/29/16 8:58am

You lost me at: "I know these guys are kids and make mistakes...BUT". No need for the "but".

Desert Rat

1/29/16 9:13am

There you have it. Fans like Iman just love casting stones, and won't ever stop.

messi

1/30/16 9:54am

I'm not sure how you got that out of my post. Just making the point

Iman23

1/30/16 6:23pm

For you, it might not be hard to keep it. Don't speak for them as if you know.

messi

1/30/16 7:28pm

Whatevs, bruh.

Iman23

1/30/16 7:45pm

I bet he expects to keep receiving his inside info though. Just not you. Only

RdF3

1/29/16 8:39am

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East1999

1/29/16 8:39am

Which I can imagine can be really hard to keep that in and not be able to talk

RdF3

1/29/16 8:41am

That is fine, but you can't hide who is suspended, you can hide the how long and

Bluedomination

1/29/16 8:40am

He should have tagged Criddle.

slowhiteguy

1/29/16 8:40am

You'd think Criddle would have the slightest concept of this.

southernfriedcougar

1/29/16 8:56am

But he didn't say anything...just that he knew good and bad stuff

Wear Blue

1/29/16 11:51pm

I guess I don't understand why social media is forcing BYU to impose harsher

P-Boy Squad

1/29/16 8:42am

It's much easier to go lite if it's not in the media. All schools react the same. They all have reputations to protect

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 8:58am

^^^^

thebruce

1/29/16 9:00am

Because it's not always up to BYU.. look north

byukarl

1/29/16 9:05am

Gossip is so rampant, especially in religious cultures, because it reinforces

fierce16

1/29/16 8:57am

Just said the same above. This sort of thing will never stop.

southernfriedcougar

1/29/16 9:06am

Mormons are the worst at gossip.

LeoCougar

1/29/16 3:25pm

I don't think it's too much to ask for "fans" and "insiders" to leave it alone

Wedgetail

1/29/16 8:59am

Dude. I love this post.

LegitCoug

1/29/16 9:09am

Very well said.

Gavin

1/29/16 9:41pm

I understand what he is saying, but don't buy it. Either the penalty fits the

Real Men Wear Blue

1/29/16 9:10am

every school administrator cares if it's in the media - every corporation cares if it's in the media and they all

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 9:49am

So is he saying Kalani doesn't want HC violations reported to the HCO or that

Scratch

1/29/16 9:18am

It just reduces your flexibility when things become public, because now you have to be concerned to some extent with PR.

CalGTR

1/29/16 9:22am

Yup, and with HC violations, each case should be treated differently based on

whoneedscorners?

1/29/16 9:35am

waste of a time to vent about this. This is 2016 and this is how the mass

idacoug

1/29/16 9:26am

We can't stop 100% of it, but we can certainly limit it. Lost of HC breaches go unreported to the media. We should try

HarlemCoug

1/29/16 9:51am

Isn't P Norton the guy that threw the twitter tantrum over the Utah game cancellation?

Turnpike Lane

1/29/16 9:29am

Good luck with that. All it takes is some player missing games or suddenly

Singcat

1/29/16 9:31am

Why does BYU so severely punish people that have public issues?

1/29/16 9:34am

This is correct. I posted above on this but you said it much better.

Singcat

1/29/16 9:48am

agreed

byukarl

1/29/16 10:55am

has anyone been tweeting out what a player did? I haven't seen it in a long time

palangi

1/29/16 10:10am

To satisfy both needs: 1) Don't further expose wrong doings of athletes 2) Allow fans to be fans

ocmyhome

1/29/16 10:34am

It's hard enough with all the Ute convenience store clerks

RedSox

1/29/16 10:56am

RE: P Norton laying the smack-down. Every Cougar fan should know this.

MoMoney88

1/29/16 11:11am

It's a nice thought and I'll certainly do my part

KingDave

1/29/16 11:35am

The issue here: Insiders. Then the regime shouldn't info on suspensions.

NacoCoug

1/29/16 11:55am

He assumes that leaks are always the result of fans

cougXor

1/29/16 12:18pm

It's sad to me that this even had to be posted . . . because it's obvious.

Gavin

1/29/16 12:23pm

A FREAKING MEN! This is exactly how the honor code should be used anyway. Since

Bluedarts

1/29/16 1:17pm

I completely agree

Mabuhay Coug

1/29/16 1:37pm

It is sad to think that a roommate of a student at ASU could drop a dime to the

Gene Frenkle

1/30/16 4:18am

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