the truth hurts. Swimming is drowning in the red. (Pun intended)

I've heard people are upset with this. Why?

Jezza

1/24/17 11:41am

because the changes are actually a downgrade. They are being done in order to

GeauxCougs

1/24/17 11:43am

They are also displacing the team for 80% of their season...

1984coug

1/24/17 11:43am

Hmm. I'll take the swimmers at their word but after reading the FB posts (which were the same) it seems like

Jezza

1/24/17 11:45am

facility was built 52 years ago for a Student Body of 13,000

1984coug

1/24/17 11:47am

They were the same because one of the swimmers shared the first post with her own comments.

byukirty

1/24/17 12:30pm

What kind of inspection?

jensen46

1/24/17 12:04pm

How would you like it if the football team practiced on an 80 yard field?

PharmD

1/24/17 11:45am

I'd love the bball team to practice their half court offense

billyrust

1/24/17 11:57am

So is that why our team chokes in the Blue Zone?

tisdaplace

1/24/17 12:11pm

Interestingly, UCLA football practiced on an 80 yard field until 2015.

cougfromcali

1/24/17 2:40pm

If the football team practiced on a smaller field? They already do...

Dissenter

1/24/17 5:49pm

a 25 million $$ facility was promised, and 1 million $$ were spent getting

1984coug

1/24/17 11:46am

The numbers you have brought are a lot clearer & worse for BYU than that convoluted and angry FB thread. Thank you all!

Jezza

1/24/17 11:48am

Most on the FB thread don't know the hard numbers... or the logistics behind it

1984coug

1/24/17 11:55am

Track team was promised a new track as part of the indoor practice facility

TrackCoug

1/24/17 12:11pm

Yep. Came home from my mission surprised to see we were still in the Fieldhouse

RUNBYU1

1/24/17 5:15pm

Something tells me the approved plans and promises weren't as final or clear

palangi

1/24/17 12:54pm

they had the money....and have donor's and philanthropists chomping at the bit

1984coug

1/24/17 12:59pm

Not true. They have never "had" the money. There have been a lot of

rockhound

1/24/17 1:20pm

$25M included a demo and rebuild of a significant portion of the RB to fit the

Skipshot

1/24/17 1:12pm

The single biggest issue with the old plans was the retrofit of the whole RB for

rockhound

1/24/17 1:25pm

As they should, football pays the bills

BYUSwoop

1/24/17 4:54pm

My understanding though is that all scholarship athletes are receiving the

BYUFam1

1/25/17 7:10am

That is true. But the money for the extra

rockhound

1/25/17 7:27am

Right, I realize it would cost that much, don't know if it's necessary to sink

palangi

1/24/17 1:53pm

It's a downgrade, and I've heard that for years the swim team has been

jensen46

1/24/17 12:05pm

It's a very marginal upgrade.

Shore10

1/24/17 2:59pm

this is a great facility--

1984coug

1/24/17 3:02pm

Yes that's a great point.

Shore10

1/24/17 3:50pm

Because now my kids won't go to BYU if they swim in college.

ditch

1/24/17 4:12pm

It'd be nice to get Tom Holmoe's side to this story

Indy Coug

1/24/17 11:44am

It would.

jensen46

1/24/17 12:08pm

This ^^ Generally when facebook hits the "i'm upset and am going to post"

OGSuperfan

1/24/17 12:14pm

They are not planning to do anything at Provo...

1984coug

1/24/17 12:26pm

Fake news here. There were never any promises or lies.

rockhound

1/24/17 1:27pm

It certainly sounds like those swimmers were promised something more.

Pimpin4Paradise

1/24/17 7:49pm

The admin promised to do what they could.

rockhound

1/25/17 11:06am

Should've kept wrestling and dropped swimming.

Be Y's

1/24/17 11:46am

I wrestled a BYU my daughter's swam there

Blue Heart

1/24/17 1:05pm

What they SHOULD have done is combine the two sports into one.

ditch

1/24/17 6:24pm

Already have that one... It is called Water Polo

CariocaCoug

1/25/17 6:23am

It'd be really hard to get a pin. Darn guy keeps floating back up!

Be Y's

1/25/17 9:37am

Competitive drowning

buffgato

1/25/17 4:16pm

And now women's wrestling is a fast growing sport in college

BYUFam1

1/25/17 7:17am

Interesting. I didn't know there were that many girls in wrestling.

Be Y's

1/25/17 9:33am

Well maybe some well backed swimming fan donors should step up?

Grit for Brains

1/24/17 11:46am

THey have tried and BYU says no

1984coug

1/24/17 11:47am

Interesting. Doesn't add up if that is the case.

Grit for Brains

1/24/17 11:49am

it doesn't... BYU is showing their hand of what they think of Olympic Sports

1984coug

1/24/17 11:53am

This is the thing I understand the least.

jensen46

1/24/17 12:11pm

This is true.

Skipshot

1/24/17 12:55pm

Sister Carri Jenkins doing spin-control again, I see . . .

ElCapo

1/24/17 11:47am

Well, that is her job, so ....

BYUtka

1/25/17 6:35am

How about simply cut the swim teams?

blucoug18

1/24/17 11:49am

Based on this, that sounds like the path they are taking.

BlueCoug

1/24/17 11:52am

sad that a program that produces Olympians time and time again would do this

1984coug

1/24/17 11:53am

When was the last Olympian? I wasn't aware of that. Good for BYU.

Baron

1/24/17 12:02pm

2012- Andrew Rutherfurd, Rafa Alfara-- Bolivia, El Salvador respectively...

1984coug

1/24/17 12:11pm

I had many friends/roommates on the swim and dive teams

blucoug18

1/24/17 12:24pm

Well, I guess BYU could have taken $24M away from the football program instead.

kccougar

1/24/17 11:50am

yes, the only possible solution.

Deleted

1/24/17 11:52am

This is not P-5 thinking. A 50 meter pool really is necessary.

PJMort

1/24/17 12:12pm

It's swimming. You don't make money for the school and nobody cares about you

boorad

1/24/17 12:18pm

You are sure there are logical reasons without knowing about it?

Deleted

1/24/17 12:18pm

tell me the last time basketball won conference.. swimming has 5/6 years lately

1984coug

1/24/17 12:23pm

And the fact that I knew nothing about that shows how nobody cares

boorad

1/24/17 12:32pm

doesn't impact you- so go away... next time one of your family members wants to

1984coug

1/24/17 12:49pm

The fact that you know nothing has no reflection on or from anyone else.

Skipshot

1/24/17 12:54pm

And nobody even knew the swimming team had that history, cause it's swimming

cougarfuzz

1/24/17 12:32pm

every swimmer knows no one cares about swimming except every 4 years

1984coug

1/24/17 12:53pm

I'd be interested in seeing data showing swimming is one of the fastest growing

BYUFam1

1/25/17 7:40am

Swimming is not always a popular spectator sport, but it's a very popular

Skipshot

1/24/17 1:03pm

proof is in the pudding, BYU does not consider it that big of a deal or they'd

palangi

1/24/17 3:36pm

BYU's perspective is not infallible. Their perspective is not considered proof

Skipshot

1/24/17 10:01pm

You didnt answer is 1st question. How much $$ does it make the school?

Shteve

1/24/17 2:13pm

I'm sorry, are they filling in the pools or building new ones?

SaintGeorgeYFan

1/24/17 9:24pm

Tell me the last time swimming had 15,000 plus people show up to watch.

SaintGeorgeYFan

1/24/17 9:25pm

They constantly fill their 2,500 spectator bleachers

1984coug

1/24/17 9:42pm

That's misleading- we swim in the MPSF- it's a joke in swimming

boxydutch

1/25/17 4:01pm

the truth hurts. Swimming is drowning in the red. (Pun intended)

CObluezone

1/24/17 12:31pm

teams fix this by building facilities to house quality events.

1984coug

1/24/17 12:36pm

Need a new Volleyball Facility BEFORE swimming.

SaintGeorgeYFan

1/24/17 9:28pm

You seem to continue to say the Pres. Samuelson made promises, as did Pres.

rockhound

1/25/17 7:52am

I guarantee potential P5 conferences will care

shakarocks

1/24/17 12:35pm

this is true... BYU swimming almost joined the Big 12 a couple years back

1984coug

1/24/17 12:44pm

I wouldn't want Texas swimming at BYU - the RB pool is mortifying

reddead

1/24/17 2:28pm

No, they don't; P5 cares about football, and some basketball - the only thing

OGSuperfan

1/24/17 12:45pm

except BYU was invited to join the Big 12 in swimming... 3 years ago

1984coug

1/24/17 12:48pm

Likely because they only have 3 schools that have both men's and women's teams

ManicBlue

1/24/17 12:59pm

yes because Missouri and A&M left to SEC...

1984coug

1/24/17 1:00pm

And they have invited AF, UVU, WYO, UNC, ND St, SD St in wrestling because they

BYUFam1

1/25/17 8:36am

They care that what facilities you have are adequate

shakarocks

1/24/17 2:45pm

That's not entirely accurate. P5 helps their brand.

RedlandsCoug

1/25/17 4:18am

Are you sure about that? Checking the B12 schools ...

ManicBlue

1/24/17 12:57pm

except that my 8yo daughter swims in a better facility than BYU's team does.

Squeegee

1/24/17 12:41pm

I might've said the same thing in the 80s

Blue Heart

1/24/17 1:11pm

The facility was crap 25 years ago when I was there. It's crap now.

Skipshot

1/24/17 12:53pm

In 1978 the facility was poor

Archaea

1/24/17 1:12pm

RE: The facility was crap 25 years ago when I was there. It's crap now.

ManicBlue

1/24/17 1:13pm

And Texas is the program everybody knows about. What about Stanford, USC and Cal

Archaea

1/24/17 1:24pm

Pretty sure we're not getting into either the p12 or SEC so what's the point of

ManicBlue

1/24/17 2:03pm

Our goal should be to build our resources and performance to that level.

Archaea

1/24/17 2:46pm

Only 6 Pac12 schools even have swimming and diving teams.

ManicBlue

1/24/17 3:00pm

BYU has chosed to have one. Do it all the way or no way.

Archaea

1/24/17 3:02pm

and BYU's proposed facility matches what most schools have. I'd prefer BYU drop

ManicBlue

1/24/17 3:05pm

Academics and Non-revenue are not profit producing activities

Archaea

1/24/17 3:24pm

hahahaha ... you're comparing academics to having a swim team? That's hilarious.

ManicBlue

1/24/17 4:38pm

Most schools?

1984coug

1/24/17 3:27pm

You should see Ithaca College's natatorium. Amazing

Archaea

1/24/17 3:52pm

Most schools meaning some P5 schools that don't even have swim teams or only

ManicBlue

1/24/17 4:33pm

Ithaca College has an indoor 50 meter pool

Archaea

1/24/17 4:42pm

Actually, so does So. Utah State University.

rockhound

1/24/17 4:45pm

No such place. Unless you are meaning Southern Utah University

GeauxCougs

1/24/17 5:26pm

Suu does have a pretty nice 50 m pool

KCRoyalcoug

1/24/17 8:07pm

I was just saying there is no such place as So. Utah STATE university

GeauxCougs

1/24/17 9:30pm

Didn't realize we were aspiring to be like Ithaca college. Who knew?

ManicBlue

1/24/17 8:03pm

Why should Ithaca College have a superior facility

Archaea

1/24/17 8:32pm

hahaha seriously?

ManicBlue

1/24/17 9:34pm

huh? I doubt you know anything about Ithaca College.

Archaea

1/24/17 10:18pm

I know it's a DIII athletic program and the NCAA does not allow scholarships for

ManicBlue

1/24/17 10:47pm

I don't believe they play football. Their track and soccer fields are top notch.

Archaea

1/25/17 6:33am

Because Ithaca is gorges.

RedlandsCoug

1/25/17 9:47am

Missouri and A&M have them (B12 to SEC) TCU/WVU do not and they have no national

1984coug

1/24/17 5:03pm

George Mason University has a 50 meter pool. U of Maryland does, too.

Squeegee

1/24/17 6:06pm

PAC 12 schools are some of the best aquatics programs in the country

randomplay

1/24/17 3:18pm

Sure but they also have easily twice the athletic department revenue/budget

ManicBlue

1/24/17 4:35pm

most have a water polo team, just not Pac 12 sponsored.

1984coug

1/24/17 4:47pm

This statement misrepresents reality

randomplay

1/24/17 5:19pm

RE: Sure but they also have easily twice the athletic department revenue/budget

randomplay

1/24/17 5:23pm

My point is that BYU doesn't even need swim/diving teams to be 'on par' with

ManicBlue

1/24/17 8:07pm

If your comparison is to the Big 12, then you're right, but the Big 12 is the

randomplay

1/25/17 9:39am

Eh, not so much UCLA anymore. Don't even have a men's team.

rockhound

1/24/17 4:47pm

I said aquatics, which would include water polo, and UCLA and PAC 12 are elite

randomplay

1/24/17 5:16pm

I agree with your point. My point in the whole thread is that BYU

rockhound

1/25/17 7:56am

I agree - I just think BYU is trying to prove that it deserves to be in a big

randomplay

1/25/17 10:36am

This is consistent with Church school treatment of aquatics

randomplay

1/24/17 1:17pm

Everyone knows Satan rules the waters right now and swimming is on the way out.

idcougarfan

1/24/17 1:29pm

Ridiculous. It's a kick in the face to the swimming program and personally

Saxa

1/24/17 1:45pm

do they call fast swimmers sprinters?

riboflavin

1/24/17 2:13pm

There are sprint events.. 50 and 100 M free, relays, etc

Saxa

1/24/17 2:18pm

Reminds me of North Korea. Apparently, there isn't a 50M pool in the country

reddead

1/24/17 2:31pm

exactly like north Korea. I've never seen a more apt anaolgy

rotorhead

1/24/17 2:46pm

The state of Utah and Utah culture does not value swimming very highly

Shore10

1/24/17 3:04pm

Sad for those who care about swimming. Skiing culture sucks in Arizona.

JAGA97

1/24/17 3:43pm

This For Big Time D1 School?

nitroboy

1/24/17 3:46pm

Every School that finished in front of BYU at NCAA's has a 50 meter facility

1984coug

1/24/17 3:51pm

At a minimum most schools in Texas have a nice natatorium shared by the district

gmj81

1/24/17 3:54pm

a lot of big time d1 schools don't even have a swim program so there is that

palangi

1/24/17 4:56pm

I admit not knowing which, but do you care to name a few?

Archaea

1/24/17 6:58pm

Here is a list of P5 programs that don't have both men's/women's swim/dive teams

ManicBlue

1/24/17 8:45pm

you keeping beating this women-only swim thing....

gmj81

1/24/17 8:59pm

Obviously there is a reason so many don't have a men's program especially at a

ManicBlue

1/24/17 9:10pm

so if the difference between fixing the pool while canceling the s&d program

gmj81

1/24/17 9:18pm

RE: so if the difference between fixing the pool while canceling the s&d

ManicBlue

1/24/17 9:48pm

Since BYU underfunds all its programs, we should just cut them all.

Archaea

1/24/17 10:21pm

Please don't say that out loud. There are some on the BOT who

rockhound

1/25/17 8:15am

Our high school district just announced a 50 meter pool too

Blue Cougar

1/24/17 10:26pm

Do you people not remember...

SaintGeorgeYFan

1/24/17 9:22pm

you forget the rb and the pools serve the entire university, faculty & community

gmj81

1/24/17 9:24pm

Yeah, LES and the Marriott Center are never

SaintGeorgeYFan

1/24/17 9:36pm

SAB weight room? football practice fields? Marriott center annex?

gmj81

1/24/17 9:52pm

You don't get it-- you clearly don't understand swimming and that's ok

1984coug

1/24/17 9:57pm

Do you know any GAs? You should call them and see if they will meet with you

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/24/17 10:22pm

RE: Do you know any GAs? You should call them and see if they will meet with you

Blue Cougar

1/24/17 10:31pm

Sounds like the Swim Team was thrown under the bus on this one

pappabear246

1/24/17 10:42pm

Which I supposed might be better than them being held under water

BYUFam1

1/25/17 8:48am

Do they still make you check out those awful swimsuits to use the pools

CariocaCoug

1/25/17 6:33am

No. Those are long gone, thank heaven.

rockhound

1/25/17 8:16am

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