I'm not talking about going out and joining a big national union.

Jul 24, 2017
9:03:24am

joelvandyne Starter

Would you also object to this companies' employees convening for the limited purpose of objecting this new policy?

If not, is there any form of collective bargaining you don't object to?

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My company (in Provo), pulled a complete garbage move on vacation.

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:32am

That's the trend in vacation policy

wapiti

7/24/17 7:34am

I know. It still sucks, and it's still manipulative.

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:36am

That's the free market. If you don't like it go work elsewhere

CDV

7/24/17 7:36am

Resume is all ready being distributed. By that logic, if you don't like Trump,

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:38am

RE: Resume is all ready being distributed. By that logic, if you don't like Trump,

macaroni

7/24/17 9:13am

That's not even close to the same thing.

byuTX

7/24/17 9:37am

It isn't that simple or easy.

BYUtka

7/24/17 8:59am

I could not agree more with you

pastyute

7/24/17 7:37am

Tired of your job? Ever consider making more money while making a few calls

Cougarpolis

7/24/17 7:38am

It wipes a major liability off the balance sheet for them. I understand that

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 7:39am

And puts it on the employees.

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:41am

Yes, but it's not really all that different. You needed to clear any time off in

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 7:46am

It is very different if/when you leave the company

cheezedawg

7/24/17 7:48am

No, it's nothing similar. I had banked 160 hours as part of an exit strategy

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:50am

Good point. They should compensate you for that banked time. They shouldn't be

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 7:52am

Don't they have to compensate you for the benefit that accrued under the

cracka

7/24/17 7:53am

Not according to the instructions/memo given last week.

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:54am

I would ask

rggee

7/24/17 7:58am

I did. It's just gone (as if they could just take it away w/ no consequences).

Division Bell

7/24/17 8:02am

As others have mentioned, that would be illegal for them to do in CA

cheezedawg

7/24/17 8:14am

Very justified rant, in that case.

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 8:14am

You may want to seek some legal advice about that. It's certainly not my area

cracka

7/24/17 8:02am

When my company moved to the unlimited policy, they paid out the PTO in cash

inertiaman

7/24/17 7:56am

I call BS. I don't think they can get away with not paying you out

shakarocks

7/24/17 8:01am

In Utah, they totally can.

BYUtka

7/24/17 8:07am

Are you sure? Keep in mind this isn't a termination or a quitting employee

shakarocks

7/24/17 8:12am

OK... it is a bit vague in Utah... it certainly isn't clear cut, and Utah tends

BYUtka

7/24/17 8:15am

Are you a fitness instructor now turned employment lawyer?

BlueFrog

7/24/17 1:43pm

Lose Vacation to non usage?? Especially given the underlying theme of how you fe

Osteotome

7/24/17 8:19am

I don't think 4 to 6 weeks is standard. Try to 2 to 3 weeks and if you been there a long time maybe more.

Baron

7/24/17 7:41am

Ok. Standard for every job I have had.

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 7:43am

Our company gives you a 4th week after 10 years.

BluebloodOR

7/24/17 4:39pm

The top of all MLM's get paid heavily

BlueFrog

7/24/17 7:40am

But they can smile and dance on stage!

Division Bell

7/24/17 7:42am

I would immediately go into my boss and let him know that I

Ty10s_WinGames

7/24/17 7:44am

Sounds like InsideSales.com except for your last paragraph

maxpowers

7/24/17 7:44am

NuSkin

inertiaman

7/24/17 7:58am

You might look into the legality of that move. In California accrued vacation

mbs6

7/24/17 7:49am

NY is the same I believe.

Radioactive Coug

7/24/17 7:54am

Utah is not. Utah is ruthless toward employees.

BYUtka

7/24/17 7:57am

Well, there is this...

Radioactive Coug

7/24/17 8:06am

Also...

Radioactive Coug

7/24/17 8:07am

Based on those two things, while not being a lawyer, I would say that unless

Radioactive Coug

7/24/17 8:09am

Well played.

mbs6

7/24/17 8:27am

There is a basic concept that applies here: If you promise an employee something

DirtyWater

7/24/17 1:58pm

Two Choices: Get a new job or move from Utah. Better than government getting

CObluezone

7/24/17 9:31am

If only there were some mechanism for employees to all get together and tell the

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:20am

There is. If enough people quit his employer, they'll change it back.

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 8:26am

Must be a tough job market for this type of job in Utah, then

Yoshinobu

7/24/17 8:31am

Seems like there ought to be a lower cost solution that doesn't require all

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:34am

It's actually pretty funny that you think Unions are low cost and efficient

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 8:40am

Who said they need to go out and join a big national union with fat cat execs?

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:45am

Those fat cat execs are part of the package. And to answer your other question,

Skeptical Optimist

7/24/17 10:05am

That's a great idea! Then they could band together and demand such riches that

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 8:27am

Or they could make reasonable requests and not be political caricatures, yet

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:32am

Sounds like you don't understand how unions function in reality.

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 8:34am

RE: Sounds like you don't understand how unions function in reality.

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:36am

Many industries aren't unionized. The ones that are have companies that find it

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 8:52am

If a company can't remain viable without abusing their workforce you'll have a

joelvandyne

7/24/17 8:57am

Employees don't need to unionize in order to demand fair treatment. The free

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 9:03am

Based on the OP it appears to be moving the opposite direction.

joelvandyne

7/24/17 9:14am

One random dude's opinion on an anonymous message board does not a case study

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 9:18am

It's still one more than you've presented.

joelvandyne

7/24/17 9:21am

Switch careers? Nobody is advocating switching your career.

Conan

7/24/17 10:04am

For better or worse, governmental worker protections have been

TaiJuan

7/24/17 9:06am

Though when you look at California municipal pension woes it's hard to argue

TaiJuan

7/24/17 8:58am

This is exactly my point.

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 8:59am

I'm not talking about going out and joining a big national union.

joelvandyne

7/24/17 9:03am

No, there isn't. I think that collective bargaining is bad for business and

Pimpin4Paradise

7/24/17 9:07am

I agree that everyone who is dissatisfied should express these concerns up the

TaiJuan

7/24/17 9:11am

This is the point i'm driving at. I don't think collective action or bargaining

joelvandyne

7/24/17 9:18am

This is already happening. That is the market at work. But it's not flashy, no

TaiJuan

7/24/17 9:23am

You are driving at nothing, then. Your rhetorical question seeking a "mechanism"

cheezedawg

7/24/17 9:29am

Sorry you can't think of a way to organize without a national behemoth behind

joelvandyne

7/24/17 9:36am

You really like to personalize your arguments. It's very manipulative. I once

TaiJuan

7/24/17 9:39am

FYI- the only person that has said "national behemoth" is you

cheezedawg

7/24/17 12:14pm

At my company where it's a seller's market for talent, the employees frequently

TaiJuan

7/24/17 8:48am

Gold. Well done.

macaroni

7/24/17 9:13am

And then charge themselves to be a part of said banded together employees

BluebloodOR

7/24/17 4:42pm

We just got 3 more days added

jxncoog

7/24/17 8:27am

At least they won't have to pay you accrued pto when they lay you off.

Dillinger

7/24/17 8:36am

When I was at GT it's one of the reasons I left.

RedlandsCoug

7/24/17 8:54am

Y2010

7/24/17 8:56am

My company basically does this. People get waaaaay more vacation time than they

RalphWiggam

7/24/17 10:17am

"Hey Boss, I'm taking 4 weeks off starting tomorrow."

IGlowInTheDark

7/24/17 11:15am

Honeywell just started implementing this policy

ArchbishopMitty

7/24/17 1:28pm

Seriously though, they just don't want to have to pay accrued PTO when somebody quits or gets laid off.

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