I don't know what really happened, but the BIG 12 was in a very fragile state,

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Sep 24, 2017
4:55:07pm

Ocho Cuatro All-American

and run by morons.

There was justifiably cause for concern hitching up to that wagon.

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Ocho Cuatro

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Is this what the end of Independence looks like?

mtnKat

9/24/17 10:46am

You pretty much nailed it.

ABCoug

9/24/17 10:49am

Nope, you got it right.

rerunc

9/24/17 10:51am

AAC is not a current option according to Mike Aresco

bcriddle

9/24/17 10:13pm

With due respect Ben, I just listened to it again and that's not what he said.

mannheimadler

9/25/17 1:05pm

Pretty good summary

TNT

9/24/17 10:52am

We don't want MWC or AAC. Indy it is for the forseeable future.

LiveCoug

9/24/17 10:54am

Seems there are no good options. Everybody sucks, and I hate everything.

sgriff

9/24/17 10:58am

You too?

TNT

9/24/17 11:04am

Probably.

sgriff

9/24/17 12:05pm

So BYU continues to wander in the wilderness of independence until one day

dadofkhec

9/24/17 10:59am

Independence IS a humbling, bumbling failure

CallingDingo

9/24/17 11:27am

Seven years worth of data support this but Cougar nation prefers to cling to a

mm73

9/24/17 11:55am

Isn't 7 years famine a sign of the times?

8Bcougar

9/24/17 11:59am

It's definitely a sign that something is working as planned

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:37pm

I would be all for conference affiliation if we could keep espn contract.

kolob32

9/24/17 11:37am

Let's be fair to TCU. They didn't "break up the MWC." We left before they did.

mannheimadler

9/24/17 11:57am

^^^this.

Skysthelimit

9/24/17 3:55pm

So true. Not to mention, we had TWO shots at joining BIG-12. uuuggghhh!!

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:38pm

Give the football program to UVU but keep the uniforms the same &

Y4LYFE

9/24/17 12:12pm

Brilliant play! We could call it "Boise State South"

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:39pm

I think the Honor Code, LDS affiliation, recruiting base and recruiting limitations are far more detrimental to

byuTX

9/24/17 12:14pm

Agreed - without some type of tweak the HC affiliation

HerkCoug

9/24/17 2:37pm

I agree - unless AAC inclusion were done in secret and then announced

License To Ill

9/24/17 12:15pm

I think I would enjoy watching us play AAC schools though. Much more than MWC.

License To Ill

9/24/17 12:17pm

Don't you just hate Social Justice

Cougtruth

9/24/17 12:55pm

Whose definition of social justice? Yours, I'm assuming?

License To Ill

9/24/17 4:02pm

The kind where society has the same rules for everyone. Religion will always be

Polecat

9/24/17 6:03pm

Oh really? Is that what's happening?

License To Ill

9/24/17 7:29pm

They don't have to be ok with it. Religion has too often prevented society

Polecat

9/24/17 7:44pm

I'm not in favor of religion forcing their views on all. By the same token

License To Ill

9/24/17 8:01pm

Anyway, you can have last word. You know you're morally and intellectually

License To Ill

9/24/17 8:06pm

Made up term used seriously by you = sycophantic troll.

Ash

9/24/17 6:36pm

The landscape could change in an instant. TH knows that and wants us available

SUAVO

9/24/17 12:27pm

Like it's so hard to get out of a non-p5 conference. The argument that we need

cougtrain

9/24/17 12:47pm

Isn't the aac exit fee around 10 million? Many of those schools were willing

SUAVO

9/24/17 4:19pm

More about perception - confer need have allowed

truecougster

9/24/17 6:57pm

Hallow wishes

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:46pm

We don't, and nobody says we will, but a multitude of things can happen

SUAVO

9/24/17 6:54pm

Is that code for "Champagne Wishes & Caviar Dreams?

Tsisquan

9/24/17 11:46pm

The lawyer was with the Big East...stop the revisionist history.

BYUSwoop

9/24/17 1:56pm

I love the urban legend that BYU passed on the Big 12.

ataylor

9/24/17 2:02pm

I don't know what really happened, but the BIG 12 was in a very fragile state,

Ocho Cuatro

9/24/17 4:55pm

Big-12 clearly has some dysfunctions but they are much better off than we are

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:49pm

They are now. They were at risk of collapsing when BYU was in talks.

Ocho Cuatro

9/24/17 9:24pm

The thing is had they collapsed BYU would have landed in the exact same spot

ABCoug

9/26/17 5:50pm

And the "piece of work' attorney kept us from joining the Big East, not the

NewMexiCoug

9/24/17 8:44pm

BYU get rid of sports.

TutumTeRoboreReddam

9/24/17 2:55pm

Too much tradition. This will never happen unless we begin to have

Skysthelimit

9/24/17 4:02pm

It will work out, if it's meant to...

truecougster

9/24/17 4:02pm

RE: It will work out, if it's meant to...

longtimeYfan

9/24/17 4:46pm

Agree - some on here don't like to hear that it's

truecougster

9/24/17 6:48pm

All the talk of Independence no longer being sustainable

CougarsFanSince80s

9/24/17 4:03pm

He's stated in the past it's not sustainable long term Bronco also echoed this

franklyvulgar

9/24/17 5:32pm

I agree that at some point it will no longer be the way to go but

CougarsFanSince80s

9/24/17 7:55pm

Yep, people just want to react to the losses. Knee jerk reaction to the stupid.

BYUSwoop

9/24/17 6:12pm

No, it's just that once we inevitably lose a couple of games in Sept (like we do

Run-DMT

9/24/17 6:25pm

Fair analysis...

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:34pm

I think it's conceivable that BYU addresses the HC issue

cajuncoug

9/24/17 6:43pm

Sure, but what should give us all the cold sweats at night...

insidebyu

9/24/17 6:51pm

Nah. Do that and we permanently brand ourselves as Amish of the Rockies

cajuncoug

9/24/17 9:05pm

Take away Indy Sched and TV exposure? Bye bye recruits.

Katewot

9/24/17 9:22pm

Really? Has recruiting been any better since we've gone indy?

sgriff

9/24/17 9:25pm

Where are our hot shot Indy WRs? We've got a couple of JC transfers, local guys

Run-DMT

9/25/17 10:40am

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