if the posters on this thread are split 50-50 or so then obviously there's a valid POV that's different than yours. You dismissing it as not having any value in this discussion is being very close minded.

It's interesting how those who are critical of others are usually guilty of the very thing they are accusing. I think there's a scripture in the N.T. that addresses this issue, something about worrying about the mote in another's eye while ignoring the beam sticking out of your own?